social stability...

Do the stupid government officers know that stability is not harmonious?
And sometimes,stability policies would cause un-harmonious situations，like this time.

Uyghur Radio Worker Sacked, Detained
2008-09-08

An official radio station in Xinjiang sacks an outspoken employee, who is now detained.

HONG KONG—Authorities at a Chinese government-run radio station in the remote Xinjiang region have fired and detained an ethnic Uyghur woman working there, apparently for criticizing government policy, Uyghur sources have said.

Mehbube Ablesh, 29, was removed from her post at Xinjiang People's Radio Station several weeks ago, according to two colleagues at the government-run station in Urumqi, capital of the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region.

Ablesh, who studied journalism, was employed in the station’s advertising department, although her exact duties there weren’t immediately clear.

“She was fired a month ago. Now we hear she is in prison and we don’t have any information about Mehbube’s prison situation,” one colleague said, speaking on condition of anonymity. “We tried to lead her in the right direction but she didn’t listen to us.”

“Management already held a meeting and told all 60 employees that Mehbube committed mistakes. She wrote articles for Web sites. I don’t know which Web sites, and I don’t know what she wrote about or what she discussed, [but] she wrote articles for Web sites and so she has been arrested by the police,” the colleague said.

Another colleague confirmed her removal from the station “about one month ago."

A third source, based in Europe, said he had been in contact with Ablesh and that in her messages she had sharply criticized top provincial leaders and the government's policy of requiring Mandarin-language teaching. She may have been detained because of this, he said.

“Our department is a journalism department—people should be very careful because it is a very sensitive place,” the first source said.

"She prayed. But she didn’t wear a headscarf. What she did was wrong. The government provided her everything—a good job, everything. It is the same everywhere, in America too. If the government provides you a good job, everything, and you speak out against the government, you will be punished. Isn’t it so?”

Multi-lingual radio

Radio employees declined to comment further and referred questions to the police and Public Security Bureau. Officials at both offices declined to comment.

Xinjiang People's Radio currently broadcasts a total of 111 hours daily in Uyghur, Mandarin, Kazak, Mongolian, and Kyrgyz, according to its official Web site.

Following a string of violent attacks in remote, northwestern Xinjiang, Chinese authorities are stepping up restrictions on Muslim Uyghurs during the fasting month of Ramadan. Police say women are being forced to uncover their faces in public, while restrictions on teaching Islam to Uyghur children are being intensified.

Restaurants run by Muslims are forbidden to close in daytime during the fasting month, as is the custom in other Islamic regions of the world, according to official statements on government Web sites in Xinjiang.

Exiled Uyghur groups said Uyghur government cadres throughout Xinjiang had been forced to sign “letters of responsibility” promising to avoid fasting, evening prayers, or other religious activities.

Xinjiang is a vast region bordering Central Asia rich in natural resources with several key strategic borders with China’s neighbors.

China is home to up to 11 million Uyghurs, a Turkic-speaking minority group that formed two short-lived East Turkestan republics in the 1930s and 40s during the Chinese civil war and the Japanese invasion.

In its 2008 report on human rights worldwide, New York-based Human Rights Watch cited "drastic controls over religious, cultural, and political expression" by Muslims in Xinjiang.

"There is widespread evidence that the government uses isolated incidents to conflate any expression of public discontent with terrorism or separatism," it said.

@ tctdh:

So you think Mehbube is a criminal?

Anyone knows the latest about the 450 Uzbek "freedom fighters" or "democracy activitists", as they called it, that United States had airlifted to Roamnia in July 2005?

Uzbekistan has the second largest Uyghur population. So there must be a pretty large number of these 450 freedom fighters/democracy activists are Uyghurs.

Anyway, three year seems too long for the terrorist training. They should finish the training long time ago.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/07/31/news/uzbek.php
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/31/international/31uzbek.html

@Heverci

Do you think Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein terrorist? Certainly this is not the official US government's view back in 1980's.

Bin Laden was CIA's most favorite "Freedom Fighter" to fight Russia in 80's. US supported Saddam Hussein to fight Iran in 80's.

More info, Google "Bin Laden CIA" and "Saddam Hussein Don Rumsfeld".

Whether Mehbube or Rabiye a criminal or not, only George Bush knows!

@ tctdh:

Tell me, once again, is Mehbube a criminal? If so, what is her crime deserved to be in jail? (I don't need lessons about Bin Laden or Saddam Hussein)

To loss a job because you refuse to learn another language is pretty unwise thing to do in my opinion.

Practically all overseas chinese living in southeast asia speak at least three or so languages.

In Switzerland everybody can speak german, french, and italian too.

People exposed to all kind of languages all the time. It may due to one's parents, school, where you are born, jobs etc.

The daughter of a friend of my father, who was born in viet-nam, by the time she graduated from a french high school was able to speak seven languages. As soon as she later graduated from an american college, found a job at United Nations. Know what! Her salary is five times of an average engineers.

Jonathan, while I agree with you that people should learn as many regional languages as they can, for some this is quite impossible.

Language learning is definitely an ability! I remember sitting in Mandarin class quite amazed at the ability of some of my class-mates, while the rest of us had to simply work our butts off.

In Xinjiang I guess many feel they shouldn't have to learn Mandarin in their own Autonomous region, but we both know this is not very constructive in a Han-dominated society. I find this question rather interesting.

One the one hand China should continue to encourage locals to learn their native Uighur et al. but on the other hand it is also a disadvantage to learn Mandarin later on in life (as I discovered. How the CCP or Xinjiang government ameliorate this current dilemma, if at all, will be interesting.

Fact 1
No government employee on the mainland whether they be Uygur or Han can take part in religious activities

Fact 2
I've never met one Uygur, child or adult in Xinjiang who cannot speak their language. However, some cannot read and write it.

Fact 3
The Chinese Constitution is quite clear on what is and is not allowed regarding religious activities

A not here on uyghur attacks in Xinjiang over the last year they have all been either

a/ knives

b/ homemade bombs

and in one case a motor vehichle.

no outside weaponry has been used.

@ simmo

on ya mate. The constitution and legal reality in Xinjiang are indeed two very different things, and again one law for Han, one law for Minorities.

No arms shipments form putative outside forces reach Xinjiang.

Such reports belong to the vagaries of the web rumour mill; and liek other reports form such sources should be taken as false.

as far as law and order and imprisonment goes in the US, all they need to do now to model themselves on China's perfect record is to start harvesting the internal organs of executed prisoners like they do in China. Maybe we can send one of their brains to tctdh so as he will begin to think clearly and stop his delusions about China and its role in the world, eg. genocide in Darfur, genocide in Xinjiang and Tibet and his paranoia that all commentators on this blog who refute his conspiracy theory based- websphere/google/ daily telegraph/xinhua pseudo scholarship are paid agents.

Is this not an example of guilt projection perhaps? The new brain may curehim of paranoia but perhaps not his schizophrenia and cross dressing, but it would be a start. One would hope it would also teach him ho to write a correct sentence in English as well. Hahahahahaha. The devil cannot stand to be mocked said Luther. The CCP and its mindless drones like it even less, hahahhahahahahahaha.

Meanwhile in Xinjiang the Ramadan abuse begins. how many have been imprisoned as we speak? and for what? keeping their religious duties of fasting. What a sick country, what a twisted regime. one wonders what the uyghur have done wrong in the past to deserve such slave masters to rule over them.

Former Diplomat Says West Has 'Fantasy' View Of China
Donna Jacobs Citizen Special
Monday, September 8th, 2008

Canadians have fallen for a Chinese government "charm offensive," says a former Canadian diplomat and specialist on Chinese mafia "Triad" gangs and Communist China's government-directed espionage in Canada.

Brian McAdam
"I think politicians have to take off rose-coloured glasses and realize what China is all about," says Brian McAdam. "The Canadian government thinks it has to pander to China's needs and to align its foreign policy towards China. This is foolhardy."

Mr. McAdam had a 30-year career in Canada's diplomatic service with assignments in Europe, the Middle East, the Caribbean and the Far East. His career ended soon after he discovered a lucrative visa-for-sale scam operating inside Canada's consulate in Hong Kong.

He spent several years warning the Canadian government that Canada was admitting Chinese criminals and government spies. Immigration and External Affairs (now Foreign Affairs and International Trade) ignored his consular reports.

Ostracized and in ill-health, Mr. McAdam took early retirement in 1993, at age 51. However, he later instigated a joint CSIS-RCMP investigation, Project Sidewinder, which, in its 1997 report, confirmed his findings.

"This document," said the Sidewinder Report preface, "does not present theories but indicators of a multifaceted threat to Canada's national security based on concrete facts drawn from the databanks of the two agencies involved (RCMP and CSIS), classified reports from allied agencies and various open sources." A few days after the Sidewinder team submitted its report, CSIS ordered all copies destroyed and the investigation disbanded. CSIS justified the report's destruction as "conspiracy theories -- rumour and innuendo."

Mr. McAdam has now become an international consultant, expert and author on Triads, Chinese Intelligence Services, their partnership and activities in Canada and worldwide.

He says that five myths perpetuate the West's "fantasy" view of China.

Myth 1: Trade With China Benefits Canada

"How many times have you heard that China is now Canada's second largest trading partner?" asks Mr. McAdam. "This means that China is our second-largest source of imports after the U.S. -- not that our trade with China has improved."

He notes that China now exports more than four times as much to Canada ($38.3 billion) as we are selling to them ($9.3 billion). Statistics Canada says the Canadian trade deficit with China expanded from $3.9 billion in 1997 to $26.8 billion in 2006.

"China is really using Canada almost as a colony," says Mr. McAdam, "getting raw materials from us and selling them back to us in finished products ranging from furniture and clothes to plastics and high-tech equipment.

"Canada doesn't need China," he says. "China needs Canada."

Myth 2: China Has 1.3 Billion Customers

"It's a mirage -- there are one billion peasants who cannot afford a bottle of Coke," Mr. McAdam says. The real customer base is 300 million -- people with privileged government positions.

He says that the West's widespread trade deficits with China spring from low wages and prisoner slave labour, counterfeit products and pirated intellectual property.

While a few Canadian companies make money in China, he says, the fantasy of broad-based beneficial trade has been "created by people to justify" a close relationship with China.

Myth 3: China Is Becoming A Democratic Nation

"Trade has not brought democracy to China and never will," says Mr. McAdam. Nor will it bring China free speech, free media, free worship or free demonstrations -- graphically confirmed in Ti@nanmen Square in '89 and this year in T1bet.

He quotes Chinese Premier Wen Jiabao, who said last year that "democracy is probably still 100 years away."

Myth 4: China Has Improved Human Rights

With Olympic visitors gone home, Mr. McAdam predicts, China "will crack down" on its citizens.

Mr. McAdam laments that "nobody is really taking China to task over its human rights violations." Even in Canada, Chinese émigrés and students are "intimidated by the Chinese government, which leads them to think that they, or their families back home, will be harmed -- unless they spy." This includes some targeted students, scientists, businessmen, foreign delegations and public servants, he says.

Most of the Chinese media in Canada are controlled by the Communist government or its proxies, says Mr. McAdam. "The information that the Chinese population is getting here in Canada -- they might as well live in Communist China."

Myth 5: China Is Benign

"China is engaged in a stunning espionage effort, buying ... its way towards high-tech superpower status as fast as it can," says Mr. McAdam. "It wants to have the world's best military."

Ten months ago, the U.S. government concluded, in a 350-page analysis titled 2007 Report to Congress of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission: "China is supplementing the technologies that its defense industry obtains through commercial transfers and direct production partnerships with an aggressive and large-scale industrial campaign. Chinese espionage activities in the United States are so extensive that they comprise the single greatest risk to the security of American technologies."

(The Sidewinder Report, incidentally, had reached a similar conclusion in Canada: "China remains one of the greatest ongoing threats to Canada's national security and Canadian industry. There is no longer any doubt that the ChIS [Chinese Intelligence Services] have been able to gain influence in important sectors of the Canadian economy, including education, real estate, high technology, security and many others. In turn, it [influence] gave them access to economic, political and some military intelligence of Canada.")

In 2005, during question period, Stephen Harper, then-Conservative leader of the Opposition, criticized the Liberal government for not taking the Chinese espionage threat seriously.

"Today the former head of the CSIS Asia desk (Michel Juneau-Katsuya) confirmed reports from defectors that close to 1,000 Chinese government agent spies have infiltrated Canada,' said Mr. Harper. He quoted Mr. Juneau-Katsuya's estimate that Chinese spies cost Canada $1 billion each month through industrial espionage. Mr. McAdam's conclusion today: "China has dangled billions of dollars of trade, seducing many countries into ignoring human rights issues in China and allowing China to acquire their industrial and military secrets.

"Canada's foreign policy in a nutshell, is 'Shhh, don't upset China because it might affect trade.'

"We need politicians, the media, and others to tell the truth to Canadians and not continue the fantasies. And Canadians must let the government know that a comprehensive China policy based upon facts is long overdue."
Donna Jacobs is an Ottawa writer; her email address is donnabjacobs@hotmail.com

© The Ottawa Citizen 2008

Michael, could you please do something to your blog-comments?

more and more 50-cents army here.
Do you think they are here for exchanging ideas?
They are employed by gov. to mess your blog up.

@ jonathon

re:

"In Switzerland everybody can speak german, french, and italian too."

if in turkestan all of the Han could speak Uyghur as well as Chinese dialects then things may work better. If the uyghur should learn Mandarin, the Han should also learn uyghur, then they could communicate with uzbeks and kazakhs and turkmen and tatars and kirghiz and karakalpaks others and start to have a sense of where they really are in the world geographically : Turkestan or central Asia.

and in case any one has forgotten in the post Olympic post coital gasp:

A “life or death struggle” announced by Xinjiang Party Secretary Wang Lequan, together with a “Strike Hard” campaign issued by Political Consultative Committee head Zhu Hailun, indicate the implementation of a brutal campaign of suppression among the Uyghur population in the weeks and months to come. Wang has presided over a period of political repression and extremely rigid social controls for Uyghurs in East Turkestan, and has
spearheaded a drive to blur the distinction between peaceful dissent and terrorism in the region.

UHRP’s report, A “Life or Death Struggle” in East Turkestan, documents a number of recent examples of harsh measures being carried out under the justification of anti-terrorism. These include:

**The arrest of 160 Uyghur children, aged 8 to 14 years old, for
participating in “illegal religious activities. The children were brought to Bajiahu Prison in the regional capital of Urumchi, and their parents were asked for 20,000 yuan for the release of each child;

**The arrests of more than 1,000 individuals in post-attack security sweeps in Kucha and Kashgar;

**The confiscation of passports of almost every Uyghur living in the People’s Republic of China, in the run-up to the Olympic Games.

“Some of my worst fears about the Chinese government’s intent to use security as an excuse to detain innocent Uyghurs, including children, are now being realized,” said Uyghur democracy leader Rebiya Kadeer. “While I knew the Chinese government was capable of such a massive crackdown, I hoped
I would never see repression on such a broad scale.”

Well, if China is sending its internet strike-force to disrupt Michael's site, they might want to train their troops. Because, they suck at it.

@ miloservic

truer words have never been spoken. Now that we know, all such posts should be treated as such.

The topic is Ramadan suppression not whether America has done this or that in Iraq. A war by the way which had China's total support. For this support they were given the reward of acknowledgement by America of the ETIM paper tiger.

@Jimba:

Now you are talking sensibly.

Language skill is a must for certain work. Anyone shouldn’t be hired if he/she doesn’t have the language skill required. It’s simple as that. I am very sympathetic toward these reporters and “others” who sent to China or central Asia without proper language skill. Of course if you come to China with the pre-determined agenda as a reporter, then how good your language skill is doesn’t make any difference, LOL!

The reasons for the minority in Xinjiang don’t want to learn the Han Chinese are:

(1) They feel much secured in their own closed community. They don’t have any plane to go out of their own community.
(2) They thought the society will stay the same and won’t evolve forward.
(3) They lack of knowledge how to attain a better life, even in their own closed community.

How can you attain a better life with such mentality? The Asian minority in US and the Korean minority in China all have the lowest birth rate and illiteracy rate, and highest college attendance rate and family income. It is because they all have tried their best to get the better life. Good education is the only key they have to the better life. All of they have to do is to work hard to get the best education they can get. The question is: Are other minorities willing to do the hard work?! That’s a good question to ask African (13% of total population) and Mexican (15%) minorities if you are in USA.

China minority policy is just too good and too “considerate” to the minority. They basically leave the minority alone to all themselves. The Turkic people in China are the only Turkic groups of people still use the Arabic scripts. Even the Turks in today’s Turkey have used Latin alphabets since 1920’s because they wanted to get rid of any influence from Arab. Mongols in today’s Mongolia come to China’s Inner Mongolia to learn their Mongol written scripts because they have lost generations to the Cyrillic scripts. Of course, Tibetan still happily use their own scripts, instead of Cyrillic because they are in China, not Russia.

To force the minorities to learn the Han Chinese characters?! China government has not been that aggressive yet. On the other hand, why bother being accused by the propaganda mouthpieces of US and West as“culture genocide”, LOL!

Following is a fresh quote from couple of posts back:

“Xinjiang People's Radio currently broadcasts a total of 111 hours daily in Uyghur, Mandarin, Kazak, Mongolian, and Kyrgyz,…”

You have to ask how many countries in this world is willing to spend their own government to broadcast such long hours in minority languages? No wonder the academics around the world have claimed that China’s minority policy is too favorable toward the minorities.

Jimba, spec,and michael:

Do you remember dyn?
Go back to see this post:
http://china.notspecial.org/archives/2008/07/rebiyas_right_s.html

dyn said in a comment below:

"我是一个网络舆论引导员。
或者说网评员。
今天才告诉你们，希望没吓着你。"

let me translate it to english here:

"I am a internet propagandist, now tell you the truth today, hope you were not threatened"

More details about this 50 cents army:
http://www.danwei.org/propaganda/more_on_the_50_cent_army.php

This is an English website.

"50 cents army" in chinese sound like "woo mao dang"

You have to ask how many countries in this world is willing to spend their own government to broadcast such long hours in minority languages?
-----------------------------------------------
Have you ever seen a spanish usa newspaper?
Do you know there are quite a number of americans
can speak English?

You have much words, but your logic is still suck.
As your logic, what western may do or ever did bad to their minority people is the reason for china to do bad to Uygurs.

Let me guess what you'd say the next step,

China should sell opium to England, because they ever sold it to us?

China should enslave blacks because western ever did the same thing?

......

Do you know there are quite a number of americans
can not speak English?

sorry, missed a "not"

@ Simmo:

Thanks for the very concise FACTS that everyone on this forum should keep these simple facts in mind (unless he has the other agenda):

Fact 1
No government employee on the mainland whether they be Uygur or Han can take part in religious activities

Fact 2
I've never met one Uygur, child or adult in Xinjiang who cannot speak their language. However, some cannot read and write it.

Fact 3
The Chinese Constitution is quite clear on what is and is not allowed regarding religious activities

My additional comment to the Facts:

That is the “Separation of Church and State” or “Secularism.” Nearly all the countries in the world follow this rule, and China is not an exception. To allow the government officials to attend the religion activities is against this principle.

Do you know there are quite a number of americans
can not speak English?

sorry, missed a "not"

miloservic,

what amazes me about these creeps is if they are in fact employees so to speak, why employ someone such as dyn who has such a poor grasp of english? granted, He is full of hatred, bile and racism, which seems to undergird all of his posts, and empower his rabid nationalism. I think in his case re his own confession, it is his ego talking - he'd like to think he is important and powerful and making his mark on the world, for in reality he is no more than an impotent little nobody sitting in a cyber cafe in the back streets of a polluted chinese city wishing in fact he was in the west knowing he never will be. So his motive is envy and jealousy. Sick, aint it? Inverted and perverted.

Others on here may very well be paid agents; but there is not one who really expresses themselves well enough in English to be taken seriously. You would think that their masters would employ those better trained in language, then as we saw in the olympics, sign after sign in the city was poorly translated and became the butt of ridicule and humor. basically their masters are so stupid and arrogant any half hearted attempt at the language by any idiot who claims he is knowledgeable and speaks a little Engrish is employable by the spook machine because they themselves are so bloody ignorant and stupid and sino-obsessed, they dont know the difference and dont really care- a bit like a cheaply made chinese toy or poorly sown garment from a sweatshop. They think they can get away with it on any level. The circle goes round and round.

Still, we know their names and their tack: one defense is a concerted effort by all valid postees not to reply to them any longer and keep all discussion on the thread topic, just go on with the discussion as if they dont post at all - as if the sick little shits dont exist

I break my own suggestion, but gross ignorance and misrepresentation always needs to be adressed at least in hope those who perpetrate it may learn

The separation of church and state has nothing to do in the west with employees of the government attending religious services. The separation is about judicial and legislative matters not whether some one has faith and attends a religous gathering or not. such strictures are only applicable in atheist dictatorships like china. there is a big difference between Chinese systems and the separation of church and state as practiced in the West. The difference is infinite.

The paid agent again sows his absolute ignorance of the outside world and his inverted sino-centrism, he thinks all countries operate like CHINA. That is without pluralism in society. No, egg -head, everything is not government controlled in the west- there is no PARTY looking over every aspect of life. Freedom is something you have never known, go to church or the temple, lose your job, and be free.

@ miloservic:

If you start to accuse anyone to be the "governmnet employee", anyone can accuse you same thing in return.

No matter you like it or not, Freedom of Speech is well alive here.

This is WHY michael can run this blog inside CHINA!

So, Relax, and enjoy the "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" from China even you see something you hated!

After all, not all of us working for CIA, American NGO or any government!

thanks again miloservic , whether self appointed or aparty paid prostitute here's one for mr. fifty cents, he'd sell his own mother for 40 cents i'd say. He's really blown his cover now and is squirming like the little pig really he is: snort, snort, oink, oink, snout, gumph, gumph, snort, oink. Good work miloservic:

China’s Guerrilla War for the Web

They have been called the “Fifty Cent Party,” the “red vests” and the “red vanguard.” But China’s growing armies of Web commentators—instigated, trained and financed by party organizations—have just one mission: to safeguard the interests of the Communist Party by infiltrating and policing a rapidly growing Chinese Internet. They set out to neutralize undesirable public opinion by pushing pro-Party views through chat rooms and Web forums, reporting dangerous content to authorities.

By some estimates, these commentary teams now comprise as many as 280,000 members nationwide, and they show just how serious China’s leaders are about the political challenges posed by the Web. More importantly, they offer tangible clues about China’s next generation of information controls—what President Hu Jintao last month called “a new pattern of public-opinion guidance.”

It was around 2005 that party leaders started getting more creative about how to influence public opinion on the Internet...

Note: The above article is on the Far Eastern Economic Review's website, in the paid subscriber section but made available for non subscribers for free. FEER's website however appears to be blocked in the Mainland.

Kids, Have fun!

And remember these 3 FACTS that Simmo posted!
Sleep over it, ask your boss why he didn't tell you these FACTS before. Is that horrible someone suddenly has jumped to you and tell you these FACTS that you have never heard of it before?!
Don't forget to practice your Chinese language. Don't do anything that I won't do! It's just for your own good, kids!

tctdh: Your proposition regarding language acquisition (or resistance thereof) by the minorities may be true in some cases, but there are a multiplicity of factors at play.

Language acquisition within any closed-community is often problematic. Trying to find an English-speaking Han in many of the 'Chinatown' around the world for example, is difficult. When I studied Mandarin in China I often had to force myself away from other Waiguoren because my natural inclination was to revert back to English. My 82 year old Italian neighbor cannot speak English and she has lived here for 60 years. Considering Xinjiang is an autonomous region, with historic communities pre-dating both modern ‘China-town(s)’ and Europe’s ethno-nationalism of last century (which resulted in a rich diasporas around the world), I would say that this problem is not indigenous to Xinjiang. It is also not an indication that the minorities have a natural inclination to be lazy or obtuse.

You might also want to consider that as the Han increase in numbers within Xinjiang, and continue on with their assimilationist policies, the minorities will be even less inclined to want to learn Mandarin. That Mongolians now only represent 14% within their own region, that their language and traditional customs have all but been subsumed by the dominant societal group – the Han (besides cultural events were Han kids get to dress up in Mongolian costumes) is not lost with many XJ minorities, and as is often the case, when a culture feels threatened, they tend to resist.

How can you attain a better life with such mentality? Well, the Han-diasporas around the world seem to do just fine. I would also suggest that there are two sides to the coin. To be sure, Mandarin is the upward language of mobility in Xinjiang, but it is also not the autochthonous language of the region and maybe what the CCP need to do is to look at other aspects of their regional policy, i.e. autonomy, religious restrictions, and other minority grievances. Ultimately tctdh, until the CCP can reassure the XJ minorities that they are not hell-bent on sinicization, resistance to Han language acquisition will continue.

CCP minority policies may be the best thing since sliced bred? But the CCP have convinced no one other than themselves: Neither the West, nor the Xinjiang minorities. Until they do, or make substantial changes to those policies, the problem will persist.

You’ll find being sensible is something that comes quite naturally to me.

Thanks for the heads-up Spec and Milo. I am curious what the blog owner, Michael thinks about all of this?

re:

“Xinjiang People's Radio currently broadcasts a total of 111 hours daily in Uyghur, Mandarin, Kazak, Mongolian, and Kyrgyz,…”

wow, a 111 hours of communist party propaganda a week. How fortunate those minorities are to have it all in their own languages.!

The same to you,spec.
I am not 100% sure that "the dyns" are definitely internet soldiers.
But this soldiers does exist.
So,dyn can be one of them possibly.

In china, some people hold viewpoints like that for showing their "patriotic",while some others are propagandists.

Why poor English skills they have? I think there are 2 reasons:

1, Soldiers with good english skill are sent to the website of BBC or etc.

2, Poor english skill looks like real Chinese voices, their comments are not truly for you westerners but for the Chinese visitors here.
I mean, Bad english skills are very China-ism, so it can confuse some visitors here.

Their words are nothing new, only the repeat of the China media-----goverment's mind-control tools.

More deeply and hitorically, 90% of China people are Hans, only a tiny proportion are muslims.
Many Han people, especially the youth, even don't have ever heard of them. They only get informations from media, but both western media and Chinese media always offer negative reports.
Seems the whole islamic world are fulfilled of war, massacre and bleed things.
That causes the prejudice against muslims.

China government worried about the seperatists, they built a very strong censorship in internet, public press etc. Han people never really knows what happened in Xinjiang before, they are not able to hear Uygurs voice, they can't understand why uygurs has a strong request for independence. If a uygur tell hans that they have suffered a massacre in the 1990s, hans would never believe at all, they can't find a proof.

Without the freedom of speech, the gap between the two races grow wider and wider.

Without democracy, difference between races, religion and culture etc are always the excuse for suppressing.

At last, sorry for my bad english, I studied Russian in school after all, and even Russian, I can't speak it now.

tctdh:

Free speech is good.
but free speech is for exchanging ideas and informations.

look at you, you wrote so many words just try to teach a lesson to us.

And I don't know why you are telling the Americans what western media said. do you think they are blind?

We are talking about XInjiang here, We are talking about CHINA muslims here, cover the topic, OK?

Check your long long comments, is that based on xinjiang? You are just accusing what westerns did bad.

As to "governmnet employee", can you please input the links to your browser and go back to say what he said?

I just want to ask any defenser of this policy here:

Isn't that a kind of discrimination?
Isn't the racial discrimination evil?
Isn't a kind of betrayal of spirit of law?

Use your brain!!!

@miloservic

good points

they are put across well.

This is exactly what they do.

censorship in cHina makes it hard for average Han to know, for example, that hundreds of uyghur youth were shot dead in the streets of Yining in Feb. 1997 by paramilitary police for expressing that freedom of speech our paid agents are trying to assure us exists in China ( I mean as they say, look at this blog for example as an evidence of freedom of speech: thats why they try and subvert it and yes, they can spy on us through it of course, thats why it is allowed to run!)

Its not nice to speak of the Han as brainwashed and it only provokes the vicious types here we have been discussing, but the majority of Han are kept in the dark about issues in Xinjiang and fed on stereotypes and fear. Serves the CCPs policies well. ignorance and fear rule in China. One day it will change.

But right now the true situation of the Uyghur and other oppressed minorities needs to be given as much air as possible. The more the paid agents try and subvert that, the more it is obvious to any one in the world and within China who is intelligent that what is happening out there on the frontier is a serious matter of international concern and will become moreso within the next year.

Neo-nationalism is a big problem. These idiots might not be agents, but simply mis-guided youth who cannot separate the party from the state. Neo-nationalism in China concerns me greatly. It is not the same nationalism we all enjoyed during the Olympics, but a nationalism born out of fear and hatred of the outside world. When we say something critical of their government, they mistake this as attacks against the Chinese people. The CCP has done a fine job in convincing them that they are CHINA. Maybe they need a cultural revolution before they will understand.

China's nationalism are always mixed with Fascism.
I don't know whether you have noticed that----Chinese can accuse USA's anti-terrorism military actions, but support CCP's so-called anti-terrorism ?

what an antilogy......

This nationalism is not only harmful to Chinese itself, but a potential threat to the whole world.
You western media are too soft to China.
America media is losing their justice will when facing the economic profits via trading with China.

On the other hand, Chinese mostly don't want to seek the truth, they just would like to see what they want to see, hear what they want to hear.
So dissidents are considered as betrayer subconsciously. they only have to go abroad or keep silence because of the censor and punishment.

After that, only one voice --- the ccp's voice ---can be heard inside china.

So, how could we say? Chinese are willing to be self-brainwashed?

Another thing about China maybe confuse you below:

Yangjia, a Peking young man, Han people, killed 6 cops in Shanghai, He was called "Hero" on the internet.

Just several days after or before that, 2 uygurs suspects killed 16 cops in kashgar as Michael has mentioned before. These 2 guys are called "Terrorists" on the internet. Even somebody shout that----kill all uygurs...

What the difference between a hero and a terrorist? So, Chinese can seperate Party and State, what under the surface of their patriotic is Fascism.

@Jimba:

I am not sure the purpose when you mentioned the “Chinatown”. Are you trying to say that you don’t need to integrate with the majority society in order to have better life? Or the minority doesn’t have the NEED to speak the majority language because they live in a closed minority society?! These are two different thing. Let’s take a look at each case:

For the first case: Yes! you HAVE TO integrated into the majority society in order to get ahead and have a better life.

For the second case, you do have a choice of living in a close society. The price you have to pay is less income to cover your living costs.

Exactly the same situation has faced the Asian Americans in US or Korean Chinese in China. Their choice is decisively to integrate with the majority society and to play the same game as everyone in the majority society is playing (good education, better income with better employment, …). They get ahead because they work harder than everyone else. It is as simple as that.

Well, if we look at the less-fortunate Mexican or Hispanic/Latino Americans (15% of the total US population) and figure out what kind of choice they have. No matter they like it or not, they still have only two choices above; either integrate or falling behind.

Can they revolt and claim the independence of a new nation?! The large portion of south USA was part of Mexican territory anyway. Of course they could. BUT US government and military will get on their case and bloodily suppress their revolution.

Russia or China may want to get involved in the situation because a split US is to their national interests. So be it. This is exactly the case happening in the “Free Tibet” or “East Turkistan” business. US government pumped $50 million each year into this “Free Tibet” business, and pumped “some” money into this “East Turkistan” business.

BUT, if you want people to believe this is for the “democracy”, “freedom”, … then you must be an idiot.

That $50 million I have just mentioned on the “Free Tibet” business, some portion of it is to hire some people or organizations to do the “make belief” job. That is a very complicated international business. There are hundreds, if not thousands, making living on this. Some people with good connections know where to get the money. Some people are hired to do the dirty “make-belief” jobs. The major money is used on the “real” things.

Why we have a bunch of idiots arguing with each other on this “making-belief” forum?! Some of the people are real hired to do the so called “make belief” job, most of them are just make themselves to believe, LOL!

The whole bashing-China business was vitalized since late 1980’s just before Soviet dissolved and US no longer needed to play the “China Card”. That is also why all of the sudden, Dalai Lama has became active in the international community since that time.

Every game got the rules to follow. As I said the “Freedom of Speech” is not over only because you can’t defend yourself and you don’t like it anymore. No matter you like it or not, Freedom of Speech is well alive here. This is WHY michael can run this blog inside CHINA! You should appreciate that!

tctdh: No, I am not saying, "you don’t need to integrate with the majority society in order to have better life." Allow me to dumb it down somewhat:

For a minority to adopt a suzerain language in their own "Autonomous Region" is quite a challenge; but the manifold problems associated with this does not mean, as you suggested, that the local Uighur are a). lazy; b). obtuse. I hope this clarifies things for you.

Integration is problematic in Xinjiang, especially when you consider the Han and Uighur are essentially divided by the Tian Shan mountain ranges. When Han move south, the local Uighur see this as further Han encroachment. As I hinted at before, when a culture feels threatened, they do indeed turn inwards. So, tctdh, what should the CCP do to solve this problem? How does the CCP "integrate" (note this is markedly different than assimilate) the local minorities without making the minorities feel that their culture is being lost?

If you read a little more carefully you will see that there is no China bashing in this discussion we're having. I personally do not support Uighur independence, but I am all for them being masters of their own home, not simply children locked in it.

Freedom of speech is indeed a great thing.

@tctdh

freedom of speech my arse!

get out of here and stop trying to bullshit us you fucken CCP mouthpiece.

we are not stupid and not all nice and patient like jimba.

You are a total pawn and mouthpiece of the party and we know it. So go and play with your party boys.

Freedom of speech. Sure, go out and try it! Ask the two little old ladies in Beijing who recently petitioned for it. You tool stop insulting us with your absurd fabrications . Im feeling sick that some one could be so robotized and committed to deception and delusion. Yuk!

No matter you like it or not, Freedom of Speech is well alive here. This is WHY michael can run this blog inside CHINA! You should appreciate that!
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If so, why michael has to use @ for "a" when he write lhasa story before?

AND,Freedom of speech is good, you please ask uygurs whether they have this freedom, that's much better for you than writing Iraq stories.

Before this thread was hijacked by these flagrant liars and ignoramuses I think the salient issue at hand here was found in Michael's commentary at the head of the post, which should be the discussion topic here, not this mindless propaganda polemic we are being bombarded with ad nauseum:

Michael wrote:

"By putting the screws to Ramadan like this, a long-simmering conflict that's mainly been about cultural and ethnic tension could quickly develop deeper theological roots. If the Uyghur Islamist groups currently consist of three guys in a bedroom in Pakistan, you can bet that by next year the ranks will swell as rumors spread about the Chinese effort to crush Ramadan.

It would be a shame for Xinjiang to be led down the same destructive path as so many other once moderate Muslim regions around the world."

says Michael,

Will History prove that the present situation in Xinjiang represents a massive failure of CCP minority policies in their contested central asian possession which created a generation of anti-statist muslim reactionaries? Or will their measures produce a peaceful result?, perhaps would be a more sensible and timely discussion topic.

tctdh has a higher level than dyn.
tctdh knows how to use tricks.
His "freedom speech" is tricky, but Freedom of speech is for getting judging all kinds of viewpoint about the topic.

That means even speech is free, you are not allowed to shit your Nonsense which has no realationship with the topic.

You are not enjoying Freedom of speech, you are here to mess up with our discussion.

You have tried to turn away our original focus on xinjiang all the time.

@spec
Canada owns too much to people of China. It shelters so many criminals from China, just because they brought huge amount of wealth, wealth that belongs to people of China. It's shameless country.

To be honest Milo, neither really impress me. They are apt at using all the sneaky flaming tricks, such as ad hominen attacks, side-tracking the argument with "ignoratio elenchi" fallacies (refuting an opponent while actually disproving something not said) and generally being twats, but neither can argue their discursive dribble with any skill and if they paid for an education, I would suggest they seek a refund.

Back on topic: A few threads back Michael posted a BBC article vis-a-vis the Xinjiang courts releasing a statement that they would be actively involved in all yanda (strike hard) initiatives. Thus, those who might violate the Ramadan Curbs will be hit hard by the local court system.

This got me thinking. At the beginning of the year Wen Jiaobao said that China would ratify the International COvenant on Civil and Political Rights when "Chinese law is more inline with International law.." (or something along those lines) but here we see clearly that the legal system in China remains a tool for the Chinese Communist Party, and not, as Tacqueville might argue, a constitutional device enabling the separation of powers.

So, the CCP will continue to violate the ICCPR with relation to religous freedoms in XInjiang, and the legal system will continue to support these violations. The CCP will provide sophistry arguments as to why, but at the end of the day they do so to impose their Han-dominated will on Xinjiang minorities... because they do so "within the law"... chhhhe...

please all ignore chuanboy... stay on topic.

Thank you for blogging this. I am a Muslim American and recently learned about this and just blogged it yesterday. Someone came to my blog and commented a link to your blog. I really appreciate this post.

Thanks.

-MR
mujahideenryder.net

kiddos:

HAPPY RAMADAN!
PEACE TO THE WORLD!!!

@spec & miloservic:

Both of you better control yourself and
DO NOT MASTURBATE DURING THE RAMADAN!

MASTURBATION NO GOOD, spec!

@tctdh: Thanks for the advice!

Oh, Yes! Don’t mention it!

Anyway, this is exactly what I am worrying about these young Uyghur kids. They hardly know anything about Islam. They thought they only need to be “Muslim” three times in their life: birth, married, and death. How many times you have seen these young kids in the mosques?! They even don’t want to be there on Kurban or New Year. No wonder all you have seen inside the mosques are old people. These young kids drink alcohol like drink water. Being a Muslim to them is just not eating pork, that’s all!

If you ask them how much they know about Quran, then they brag how good their English is. When they can’t pass the qualifying exams in school, then they blame on the government and they start to talk “East Turkistan”. If you really want them to fight for what they said, then they don’t have the gut. They want the good things in the life but they don’t want to work for it. That is exactly the problem! Everything else is BULLSHIT!

Just some random thoughts on Michael's post which seek cohesion:

The present Ramadan crackdown in XJ of course is not the first, but could be of a great severity going on Wang le quan's recent words of steel. (Why are the Han communist dictators of Xinjiang always named Wang, I ask as an aside?)

Previous years have also seen Ramadan prohibition but now girdled to a new version of the Yanda, the present 'carpet' search certainly does not bode well for a large section of the Uyghur community as such crackdowns are usually in fact licence to cast a very broad net. No-one but party hacks could feel secure in this latest of neo-stalinist measures.

In regard Michael's post that such extreme measures during ramzan may tend to the creation of an Islamic backlash in the form of more recruits to the cause vis a vis the spectre of a threatened Islam, I have often wondered even if China had not misgoverned the Uyghur homelands as it has over the last 50 years would these reformist currents still be among the Uyghur as they seem to be among most Muslim communities these days?

Open doors to south and central asia over the last 3 decades inevitably open XJ up to such ideas. (Though, there is also evidence at hand of earlier wahabist influence in southern XJ).The fact that China suppresses Islamic expression gives these ideas greater currency. To a degree the traditional Islamic practice was given a revitalized boost a la Deng Reform culminating in what Donald MacMillan named a 'controlled revival'during the 1980s. To some degree the official mullahs of the popular Islamic expression learnt to coexist within the system, prayers were read, pilgrimage allowed, the majority of religious Uyghur farmers allowed to pray within the strictures of state religious regulations.

In the face of reformist doctrine and its emphasis on islamic government a challenge was offered to this uneasy staus quo.

An uncompromising challenge if one is to follow the edicts of a 'pure' Islamic doctrine, which pits itself aginst non-Islmaic governance, folk Islamic expression, and especially atheistic government.

That these ideologies also empower and inspire nationalist aspirations is another facet of their appeal and allow Uyghur and Islamic identiy to become more entwined and articulated - even further synthesizing to become wed to strong Turkic and pan-Turkic currents which have fed muslim identity in the Tarim basin, Yili valley and Turpan depression since the turn of the twentieth century and perhaps as far back as Yakob beg's emirate to a degree.

So my question is even if China's policy has been benign, could these radical reformist currents been blocked? The fact is that the CCP rule has been oppressive although allowing a measure of religious freedom post Mao. Current crackdowns only exacerbate Uyghur aspirations for both free Islamic expression and national freedom from the hand of the oppressor who denies them true autonomy. In other words this 'what if' can only be answered by the fact that the Uygur were never given the chance to experience a benign and satisfying autonomy as promised under Chinese rule under the CCP, so we will never know.

In fact their situation grows worse and in dealing with them China must also deal with transnational Islamic reformist currents that are not diminishing but increasing throughout Central Asia. Perhaps the goose has already been cooked? Gotta go.

I just realized China must be VERY CAREFUL AT ITS MUSLIM POLICY because TIME HAS REALLY CHANGED. If Obama is elected and decides to start jihad against China, then China is sooooo dead.
Now I hope McCain to become president of US -- at least he is a real Christian, not a follower of some kind of lama, nor has weird conviction, like there's a wheel in your belly spinning at 7200rpm (or 5400rpm), and one gets brain cancer if he doesn't follow his master.

The "crackdown" thing will soon be forgotten by journalists and in a few weeks newspapers will run headlines like "China taikongnautic plan threats world peace." There is always new focus of China bashing. What's the next?

Nice post Spec! I will need a bit of time to digest that though. Looking forward to respond.

Kiddo! Instead of masturbating yourself, why don’t you take the effort to ask yourself why you act in the way that the Western news media want you to act? If what the Western news media said is truth that this less than 10% minority (Uyghurs and Tibetans) are fiercely suppressed, then why the rest 90% minorities are living happily in China? Why don’t you find out why the Korean minority has the highest college attendance rate, the lowest birth rate and illiteracy rate?

Please, kiddo, This is exactly what I meant, DON’T MASTURBATE YOURSELF, either PHYSICALLY or MENTALLY.

As Michael said “I never said that I believe the report 100%. This is information that's been put out there in public, and I'm bringing it to your attention for AMUSEMENT and ENTERTAINMENT!” He is enjoying his “Freedom of Speech” for AMUSEMENT and ENTERTAINMENT and that's why he is running this blog from inside China. Do you have to be an idiot?!

For Allah’s sake, Being a Uyghur doesn’t mean you have to be a retarded idiot, especially during the Ramadan!

@ jimba

circular thought to a degree I was just trying to put some thoughts down and hoping for informed and considerate feed back. Hosh!

Government employees and Communist members banned from fasting during Ramadan

Tania Branigan in Beijing guardian.co.uk, Tuesday September 09 2008 15:56

Officials in China's turbulent north-western region of Xinjiang are tightening restrictions on Muslim practices including mass prayers during
Ramadan, according to government notices.

Government employees and Communist party members are banned from fasting, wearing veils or growing beards, said circulars posted on several official websites. Other measures - which appear to vary area to area - include forcing restaurants to maintain their usual opening hours instead of shifting them in light of dawn-to-dusk fasting.

Religious controls are usually stricter during Ramadan but experts say this year's are noticeably stronger and believe it is the first time they have been published rather than passed on orally.

A notice on the Zhaosu county website said that ideological education had to be stepped up in the face of "violent and disruptive activities by religious extremists, separatists and terrorists".

Last month saw the worst violence for a decade with a string of fatal attacks including an assault on police in Kashgar that left 16 officers dead and 16 wounded. No one has claimed responsibility but officials have blamed Uighur separatists.

Two of the towns that posted notices, Xinhe and Shaya, are near Kuqa, where 11 peopledied in suicide bombings and police shootings a few days later.

Around half the population of the vast region of Xinjiang is composed of Muslim Uighurs. Many resent the religious and cultural restrictions placed upon them and some seek an independent East Turkestan.

A note on the Shaya government website said propaganda and inspections should be stepped up during the period. "Fasting and participation in religious activities by party members and students is forbidden," it said.

The note called for stronger security at mosques, saying that officials should "prohibit playing recordings, videos or using loudspeakers to force people to take part in fasting. Work units or individuals are not allowed to hand out religious propaganda in public areas."

It said people were forbidden from forcing others to fast, attend religious activities or cover their face with veils. "Effective measures" should be taken to ensure people who already had beards and veils removed them, the note said, although it appears it may have been referring to officials and public sector workers.

A Zhaosu county website notice said officials should "try to reduce Ramadan's influence on society as much as possible".

It told them to "dissuade people from attending organised and planned worship in large groups in order to prevent mass incidents; prevent, guide and stop situations like closing restaurants during Ramadan, students attending religious activities, women going into mosques with veils and shops stopping selling wines and cigarettes".

"To the best of my knowledge it's the first time this has been explicitly spelled out in this way - normally these instructions are not put in writing," said Nicholas Bequelin, an expert on Xinjiang at Human Rights Watch. Measures such as the restrictions on restaurants were "definitely more intrusive than before," he said.

"What has been driving these increasingly invasive restrictions on religious and cultural behaviour is the fear that Uighurs are not loyal to the party and government," Bequelin said. "It used to be the case that some cadres in the 80s and early 90s were clearly religious. That's not possible any more because the state sees what it regards as ostentatious religiosity as an act of defiance towards the government."

About this articleClose China officials tighten restrictions on Muslim practices
This article was first published on guardian.co.uk on Tuesday September 09 2008. It was last updated at 16:30 on September 09 2008.

Further to tctdh's assertions, freedom of speech is GREAT!!!!

Young woman fired from Uyghur radio station, then arrested

Reporters Without Borders condemns the dismissal and arrest of Mehbube Ablesh, a member of the Uyghur community in the northwestern province of Xinjiang, who worked for Xinjiang People’s Radio Station, a government station based in the provincial capital of Urumqi.

After posting articles online criticising provincial leaders and Chinese government policy, she was fired from the station’s advertising department in August and was then arrested by the Urumqi police. According to one of her colleagues interviewed by Radio Free Asia, she is still being held.

“As in other provinces with pro-autonomy movements, there is even more censorship and police control in Xinjiang than the rest of China, especially during the month of Ramadan,” Reporters Without Borders said. “There is an urgent need for Uyghur journalists to be allowed to write and express themselves without fear of being arrested and convicted on trumped-up charges of calling for violence or threatening Chinese sovereignty.”

Nurmuhemmet Yasin, the author of the 2004 short story “Wild Pigeon,” was sentenced in February 2005 to 10 years in prison for inciting Uyghur separatism. Written in the first person, the story described a young pigeon that was put in a cage by humans and took its own life rather than sacrifice its freedom. The authorities claimed that it was about Yasin’s father, who poisoned himself in similar circumstances, and argued that it therefore contained a political message.

Korash Huseyin, an employee of the literary magazine that published the short story, was arrested in November 2005 and was sentenced to three years in prison by a south Xinjiang court. Ismail Tiliwaldi, the Uyghur governor of Xinjiang, said Yasin’s arrest was necessary to maintain stability in the region.

Abdulghani Memetemin, a Xinjiang-based writer, teacher and translator, was arrested on 26 July 2002 for providing information to the East Turkestan Information Centre (ETIC), an Uyghur rights and pro-independence group run by Uyghur exiles in Germany. A Kashgar court sentenced him to nine years in prison in June 2003 on a charge of “illegally providing state secrets to foreign organisations.”

Reporters Without Borders believes that all of these Uyghurs were unfairly convicted for expressing themselves publicly, and calls on the Chinese authorities to release them.

http://www.rsf.org/article.php3?id_article=28480

...but not if you live under a repressive and insecure government in Xinjiang...

I just realized China must be VERY CAREFUL AT ITS MUSLIM POLICY because TIME HAS REALLY CHANGED. If Obama is elected and decides to start jihad against China。。。
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Obama is not so stupid as you guys.
More, Obama said he is not a muslim, how could a non-muslim raise a "holy-war"?

additionally, you don't know nothing about islamic holy-war at all.

Man, could you please read more books before you write a comment?
I don't know why most you Chinese patriots are so ignorant.

If there would be a holy-war against china, that's not because of obama, but because your stupid Chinese policy.

what happenning in xinjiang during Ramadan today, also happened to Hans in the history.

It is called "Yangzhou 10 days"
In 1645, Manchu troops conquered the city Yangzhou in the war, and the leader ordered all local Han people to change their hair-style.
The slogan was "hair or head".
Most Han people can not accept this insulting order, and start to rebel against the troops.

Then, the troops start to supress the people with killing, buring , raping etc, more than 800 thousand people died.

Can you ccp-defensers read a little history?
China has a bloody history, and why you hans don't learn something from it?

If what the Western news media said is truth that this less than 10% minority (Uyghurs and Tibetans) are fiercely suppressed, then why the rest 90% minorities are living happily in China?
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WHo told you the rest 90% minorities are living happily in China?
Your ccp daddy?
it really sucks.
Uygur people are brave to resist against the policy, t1bet people too. That's why they got focus.

You just get information from your ccp-running media. surely you'd think everything is ok.
Just before the sichuan earthquake, your government said "OK" too.

fact 1 :
I've never met one Taiwanese or Korean old man who cannot speak their own language.
Moreover all of them could read and write in their own language.

fact 2 :
Those old persons had been forced to learn Japanese language.
Japan had modernised Taiwan and Korea.

fact 3 :
Most of Korean, old or young, regard Japan as invader.

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"The Anti-Ramadan Campaign" news in Chinese language.

Xinhua : 阿瓦提县采取九项措施加强“斋月”期间宗教管理
h ttp://www.xj.xinhuanet.com/pingan/2007-09/13/content_11145106.htm

BBC : 中国严厉限制新疆穆斯林斋月活动
h ttp://news.bbc.co.uk/chinese/simp/hi/newsid_7600000/newsid_7600400/7600461.stm

li-si：
please seperate "slogan" and "truth"

Another “truth” is here:
also in Chinese

http://test.xjyl.gov.cn/ylarticle.asp?ArticleID=483

http://www.xjpeace.cn/yl/2008-09/10/content_14363293.htm

Please read it carefully.
michael banned chinese here, I can't tell you more.

To micheal：
even BBC has a chinese service webpage...

@jimba:

you forgot to mention that article "Young woman fired from Uyghur radio station, then arrested" is from "REPORTERS WITHOUT BORDERS". Do you know who is "REPORTERS WITHOUT BORDERS"???

HAHAHA! kid! don't kiss your American daddy's ass too tight!

what amused me is that, seems all the 50-cents army soldiers ever used this sentence:
"don't kiss your American daddy's ass too tight"
either Chinese or English edition.

Are all your guys from the same training center?

tctdh: Reporters Without Borders is a French born organisations, created in 1985, which fights for press freedom and denounces the violations of human rights anywhere, anytime. They are often critical of your nemesis, the American leadership, but I guess you're simply too uneducated and ignorant to even know that.

My apologies, that was my post above. I typed his name in inadvertently. I'm always having to remind myself of his strange name. Maybe he would like to tell us what it stands for?

Besides: Technically Crippled Tele-communications D*** Head.

tctd = CMD

I don't think tctdh is CMD. tctdh has better grammar and syntax. CMD was easier-going.

What NYtimes did it for?
For keeping well relation with CCP?

Ain't you lot got anything better to do? I'd hate to be stuck in a lift with you lot. I reckon I could handle Jimba though, at least he has a sense of humour.

Oh, my other hobby is farting in lifts... guess that counts me out too.

Not all Muslims are our natural enemies. Pakistanis, Iranians, Sudanese, some Arabs & even Osama bin Ladin himself are & can be our friends, just as long as they keep the West occupied with their jihads. The pro Western Uighurs are especially pathetic, they should be shoo..ed (careful, some Western media will be too glad to twist the word to appear as sho...t )away from China to join their buddies in the comfort of the West.

Our real & lethal enemies are all those bastards like the Yankees, dirty Brits (never forget about their exploits like the Opium War), French, Germans, Spaniards (remember the 8 dirty pirates who ransacked our Yuan Ming Palace?) & we must do everything to bring them down. Urghurs & Tibetans are mere small flies & Chinese must not lose our focus.

...Your history if egregious leadership should be included too Mainlander.

For those who are interested, here is a list of names of Uyghur graduate students(114 of them) working toward their PhD degrees in Japan. The universities range from Kyushu University to Tokyo University. A whole bunch of smart ones are'nt they!

http://www.biliwal.com/Dokturla/yaponiyede.html

Ramadan brings normalcy back to Kashgar

Kashgar, XINJIANG -- A month after a brutal terrorist attack near its front entrance, the three-storey Yijin Motel in this largely Uygur city re-opened for the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

China's westernmost city saw a sharp drop in the number of tourists this year, but the faithful have flocked here for this holiest of months in the Muslim calendar. Life in this oasis on the edge of the Taklimakan Desert seems to have returned to normal.
"Most of our guests are Uygurs, so we only have Uygur signs in our rooms. We're doing fine, only that tourism here has been bad in general because of the violence this year," a Yijin staff member told China Daily. "But the degree of tension has been exaggerated by outside media. I've been in Kashgar for more than 40 years; people get along here just like they do elsewhere."

On Aug 4, two Kashgar natives brutally attacked a group of border patrol officers, killing 16. According to local authorities, the attackers were both Uygur and were driven by religious extremism to perform

A month later, there are hardly any signs of the tragedy. "This city is very much coming back alive again from that horrible disaster last month," said Nico Rodriguez, an American who has been in Kashgar since June. "It's like nothing ever happened."

At dawn on any given day since the holy month began Sept 1, hundreds of worshippers gather at the Id Kah, which the locals claim to be China's largest mosque, for morning prayers. Beggars, too, flock to the sacred mosque for generous donations.

According to foreign media reports, there has been a marked increase in security here since the attack. Ninety percent of the population here is Uygur, the highest number in the vast autonomous region of Xinjiang.

Visitors to the four-star Tarim Petroleum Barony Hotel, across the street from site of the attack and the Yijin, are required to present their IDs to a pair of Uygur security officers at the door.

"Only the rich stays in Barony," said a staffer at the Yijin. "A single room there costs 580 yuan per night. And they have hired security officers. But it's just as safe here."

There are no security personnel at or around the Yijin, a decade-old motel with 24 shabby rooms. It was closed after the attack. Its eight rooms facing the street are still closed. Another staff member claimed they never opened in the first place. A single room at the motel costs 60 yuan ($8.8) per night, while a suite is 100 yuan. Air conditioning, which costs an extra 10 yuan, was cut off after the attack.

Tensions have not been eased completely. A number of ethnic Han shopkeepers along Seman Road, a largely Uygur section of the city, have relocated. But the ethnically Han owner of the Yijin, who asked that her name not be used, is undeterred. "I know they are not against us," she said. "Few of the staff here speak Uygur but that doesn't seem to bother us."

There have also been a number of foreign media reports about a "government clampdown" on religious practices during Ramadan - in particular, on followers observing the sunrise-to-sunset Ramadan fast.

Traditionally, Kashgar restaurants close during the day for Ramadan. Some were closed; others remained open for business, serving lamb kebabs, fruits and tea throughout the day.

When asked about Ramadan dietary restrictions, a veiled female Uygur shopkeeper, who was eating sunflower seeds on a lazy afternoon, pounded on her husband's chest and said: "It's in there!"

"Why need it here?" she said in broken Mandarin while pointing at her own mouth.

Guli, a 19-year-old from Kashgar's Bachu county, is aware that there have been heightened security measures, but they hardly affect her. "I don't feel them. Young people like us don't normally observe the fast anyway; only the older generation does, and I don't see how they can be prevented from doing so," she said.

"Why should I (be afraid)?" she continued. "You know what terror is? Terror is the bad thing that happens when you least expect it to. What happens around the clock is called life, not terror."

"There is little feeling of terror here, unless you want to feel it. We're just living the same old lives, " she added.

Nurlan, a 56 year-old Muslim taxi driver, said the August bombing is the most brutal attack he has yet seen, and that such tragedies will not be replicated. "I observe the fast. We all follow the Holy Scriptures here, so you always have many more good people than bad," he said.

"I think Kashgar is safe - safer than most places, and definitely those to the west of us. Whatever other people may say, nothing can destroy our lives," he said.

Kashgar prefecture borders Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Tajikistan and Kirghizstan. It is home to 3.6 million people.

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http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2008-09/19/content_7041374.htm

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China vows "preemptive strikes" on Xinjiang separatists
09/17/2008 |

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17 Sep 2008 09:37:14 GMT
By Chris Buckley

BEIJING, Sept 17 (Reuters) - China's tense far-western region of Xinjiang will conduct a "re-education" drive against separatist unrest in the wake of attacks during the Olympics, with its Party chief vowing preemptive attacks on foes.

Wang Lequan, the hardline Communist Party boss, told officials that a sweeping propaganda campaign was needed to fight separatism in Xinjiang, where mostly Muslim Uighurs have bucked at Chinese influence and religious controls, the Xinjiang Daily reported on Wednesday.

Before and during the Beijing Olympics in August, the region that borders Pakistan and Afghanistan suffered several deadly attacks on security forces by separatist militants.

Critics of China's policies in the remote region said there would be an official reckoning after the Games, and Wang's fiery words seemed to confirm that prediction.

"We must always maintain a high-pressure strike-hard posture, adhering to a policy of taking the offensive, striking when they show their heads and making preemptive attacks," he told a meeting on Tuesday, according to the report also carried by the China News Service.

"This winter and next spring we will launch a concentrated anti-separatist re-education across the whole region."

Xinjiang's 8 million Uighurs make up slightly less than half the region's people, and most of the rest are Han Chinese, including recent migrants.

The government points to big investments in the region's economy and resources, which include oil and gas, and efforts to lift living standards. But critics say too few decent jobs and benefits flow to Uighurs.

Wang spelt out measures to tie the region more closely to the rest of China and to Communist Party control -- measures that are sure to draw criticism from advocates of an independent "East Turkestan" homeland for Uighurs.

The re-education campaign will seek to enhance "identification with the Chinese nation and Chinese culture", Wang said, promising measures to spread teaching in Mandarin Chinese among Uighur children.

Religious activities must also be carefully policed, he said.

"Our region has constantly been a smokeless battleground in the ideological sphere," Wang said. (Editing by Nick Macfie)

Chinese Muslims persecuted after bombings
By: Kylie Gilliams
Posted: 9/19/08
Deadly attacks rocked the Xinjiang region of China this summer. The bombings were attributed to Muslim separatist groups advocating for independence. Now, four local governments in the same area have placed restrictions on the Muslim holiday Ramadan citing the need to protect social stability.

These limitations range from banning women from wearing veils and men from growing beards to barring certain groups of people, such as students, teachers, and government officials from observing Ramadan.

"It's absolutely ridiculous," said senior Paul Miller, who studied abroad in the Yunnan province last year. "The Chinese government is not putting restrictions on any other religion. Christians can practice, but not the Islamic minority."

The government justified the crackdowns as a means to maintain stability in the region.

"I do not agree that such oppression promotes 'social stability,' as the authorities claim, because limiting people's freedom to practice core tenets of their religion only amplifies dissatisfaction with the colonial state apparatus," said Eric Mortensen, assistant professor of religious studies.

"In the short term, the Chinese government has the means to clamp down on communal aspects of religious life, and perhaps they believe that such actions will keep the peace, but in the long run the Chinese will likely find that the resentment such actions breed in the local Uighur populace will make social stability harder to achieve."

The Uighur, one of the country's 56 ethnic groups, has a long history of being oppressed by the dominant Han, which continues to this day.

The Uighurs are a Turkic people living primarily in the Xintiang region. They are also one of two Muslim ethnic groups in the country.

"China has endeavored to consolidate control of its western provinces, including Xinjiang and Tibet, partly through the settlement of Han people in the regions-now a majority population in both regions-and partly through assimilation and the tight control of local religious and social institutions," said Mortensen.

The cause for the conflict between the Uighurs and the Han lies in their diverse origins. The Uighur speak a different language and have their own customs and culture.

"(The Uighur) have a completely different understanding of the world compared with China," said George Guo, associate professor of political science.

These basic differences, coupled with the Han's alleged attempts to destroy Uighur culture, have led to the formation of radical separatist groups. The East Turkestan Islamic Movement and The East Turkestan Liberation Organization are two of the most prominent; both have been accused of using terrorism to further their cause for independence.

Some believe that these organizations used the Beijing Olympics as an opportunity to draw attention.

"When the Olympics came, they saw it as a chance to humiliate the government," said Guo. "They put bombs to attract world attention."

In turn, the Chinese government also used the attention to their advantage. Under international scrutiny, the government sent troops into Xintiang.

"Now the Chinese government feels more comfortable," said Guo. "Before, they might not have done that. Now, they have to protect people, prevent terror."

The restrictions placed on Ramadan are China's latest steps to maintain unity and stability.

"The state fears any allegiance to an authority-such as a religious authority-other than the state is tantamount to action toward independence," said Mortensen. "However, the state's ensuing repression of religious freedoms only escalates the antagonism felt toward state control."
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© Copyright 2008 The Guilfordian

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