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December 10, 2008

Pakistan Nukes China. Et la France?

China let Pakistan test a nuclear weapon in Xinjiang on May 26, 1990.

A stumper for your next quiz night: Name all of the countries that have exploded atomic weapons in Xinjiang.

The answer: China and... Pakistan?

Crazy stuff in today's New York Times nuclear book review smorgasbord. The book in question is "The Nuclear Express: A Political History of the Bomb and Its Proliferation" due out in January.

The authors drop more than one bombshell recovered from the dustbin of atomic history:

Secret cooperation extended to the secluded sites where nations tested their handiwork in thundering blasts. The book says, for instance, that China opened its sprawling desert test site to Pakistan, letting its client test a first bomb there on May 26, 1990.

That alone rewrites atomic history. It casts new light on the reign of Benazir Bhutto as prime minister of Pakistan and helps explain how the country was able to respond so quickly in May 1998 when India conducted five nuclear tests.

“It took only two weeks and three days for the Pakistanis to field and fire a nuclear device of their own,” the book notes.

In another disclosure, the book says China “secretly extended the hospitality of the Lop Nur nuclear test site to the French.”

France!? Say it ain't so, Xiaoping. Well, it couldn't be any worse than this:

The book, in a main disclosure, discusses how China in 1982 made a policy decision to flood the developing world with atomic know-how. Its identified clients include Algeria, Pakistan and North Korea.

Alarmingly, the authors say one of China’s bombs was created as an “export design” that nearly “anybody could build.” The blueprint for the simple plan has traveled from Pakistan to Libya and, the authors say, Iran.

But why would China do something so stupid? Well, old habits are hard to kick. Nikita Khrushchev said in his memoirs that Mao's attitude towards the nuclear holocaust of World War III was, "Hey, even if China loses 300 million people we'll still have plenty left over."

Why did Beijing spread its atomic knowledge so freely? The authors speculate that it either wanted to strengthen the enemies of China’s enemies (for instance, Pakistan as a counterweight to India) or, more chillingly, to encourage nuclear wars or terror in foreign lands from which Beijing would emerge as the “last man standing.”

Sounds like the kind of plan that will definitely work out in the long run.


posted December 10, 2008 at 12:26 AM unofficial Xinjiang time | HaoHao This!


Crazy stuff indeed. Pakistan and Israel, OK -- China has historically shared military technology with the former and acquired it from the latter. But France and South Africa? And, what's more, a zero-yield French test at Lop Nur, when the French were happily exploding hundred-kiloton bombs underground in French Polynesia?

From the USA Today article that was written three months ago, back when Stillman's allegations first came out: "Stephane Charreau, a press officer at the French Embassy in Washington, called the suggestion 'very strange,' and denied it." I think that about sums it up.

The comment above was posted by Tom at December 10, 2008 03:18 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

The littlt boy atomic bombs killed as many as 140,000 people in Hiroshima and fat man atomic kill 80,000 in Nagasaki by the end of 1945, roughly half on the days of the bombings. Since then, thousands more have died from injuries or illness attributed to exposure to radiation released by the bombs. In both cities, the overwhelming majority of the dead were civilians.

The comment above was posted by jim at December 10, 2008 09:19 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

@jim: And what's your point? How does that relate to this post? Please don't just copy and paste random facts.

The comment above was posted by michael at December 10, 2008 10:13 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

"Comfort, opportunity, number and size are not synonomous with civilization.-

Abraham Flexner ( 1866-1959) American educator and author.

The comment above was posted by roebuck at December 10, 2008 11:32 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

@ Tom, are yu sure all of those French tests in Polynesia were underground?

The comment above was posted by roebuck at December 10, 2008 11:34 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

I suposse the definitive report on the effects of all of those tests on the surrounding population has not yet been undertaken or released.

The comment above was posted by roebuck at December 10, 2008 11:36 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

this can easily be explained as a case of teamwork. pakistan wants to test a bomb, chinas got a huge plot of desert. boom! both countries can learn and develop their nuclear programs.

as for drawing comparisons of their motives to mao's thoughts on nuclear holocaust? the ccp has clearly moved on from the policies of that long dead leader. playing last man standing is definitely not on their agenda. instead, regional stability is their new strategy.

i think the main lesson of this discovery is realize that china is fully aware of the value of relationships with it's neighbors. and china knows that strengthening its relations with neighbors strengthens their own position in the region.

The comment above was posted by stephen at December 10, 2008 01:14 PM unofficial Xinjiang time.


Is life in Makati that boring that you have to keep posting 3 year old AP articles here with no explanation? What are you doing in the Philippines?

The comment above was posted by michael at December 10, 2008 09:44 PM unofficial Xinjiang time.

Anything extraordinary? Go read Ching Chang Jung and Holiday's Meo's Biasgraphy. It's all peatnuts.

The comment above was posted by Leo at December 11, 2008 12:18 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

@roebuck: Where did I say that all the French tests were underground? The French tested above-ground until 1975. (The French did multi-megaton tests, too. They didn't always test in Polynesia, either. Anything else I left out?)

The point is that France had no reason to go to Lop Nur to do zero-yield testing, when they were doing full lots-of-tons-yield explosions on their own soil.

The comment above was posted by Tom at December 11, 2008 04:38 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

@ Tom,

perhaps a misreading of

'And, what's more, a zero-yield French test at Lop Nur, when the French were happily exploding hundred-kiloton bombs underground in French Polynesia?"

The comment above was posted by roebuck at December 11, 2008 05:22 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

michael. really? we live underground like you. but ours is in the basement. with so many people interesred viewing your birthday picture.can we visit your bunker? hahaha

The comment above was posted by annie at December 11, 2008 08:56 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

michael. merry christmas and a happy new year. yes. makati is a beautiful city. chin frequently visit that beautiful city. lets enjoy christmas in makati. chin have many friends there, deal? to tell you. chin and friends don't hate you. we all want to learn english. by the way. what is the meanibg of BTW? please don't get angry. anyway. we are going to other blog and chat. but we love your blog too. we voted for you. if you welcome us. we will visit your blog again. we are young man and woman. merry chritmas and a happy new year uncle michael.

The comment above was posted by annie at December 11, 2008 09:08 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

uncle michael, don't worry.
as of now. your points are far behind. we will wait chin instruction. he is in london. we are ready to vote for you if he give the green signal via his cellphone.

The Foreign Expert - 70 points

The Opposite End of China - 51 points

The comment above was posted by annie at December 11, 2008 01:43 PM unofficial Xinjiang time.

michael, i just vote for
foreign expert.instructed by annie thru chin.

The Foreign Expert - 71 points
The Opposite End of China-51 points

The comment above was posted by lingling at December 11, 2008 06:34 PM unofficial Xinjiang time.

@annie/lingling: You guys are freaks. I already won last year. If "The Foreign Expert" wins, more power to them... it's a good blog anyway.

The comment above was posted by michael at December 11, 2008 08:24 PM unofficial Xinjiang time.

@michael. you are right. its a good blog. by the way. can you allow us to post anything what we think is right.you know michael. you love your country and we love our country too. if you don't allow us to post any article that irritate you. that's okay. we will just move to other blog. but frankly speaking. your blog is great. we love it very much. for the past few month, we really enjoy it. more power to you.

The comment above was posted by annie at December 11, 2008 08:51 PM unofficial Xinjiang time.

Uyghurs as indigenous people; a new UHRP report highlights Chinese government violations of Uyghurs' indigenous rights

As the world marks the 60th anniversary of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, Uyghurs in East Turkestan (also known as Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region, in the People's Republic of China) continue to experience human rights abuses in nearly every aspect of their lives. A new report by the Uyghur Human Rights Project (UHRP) details the PRC’s violations of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples (UNDRIP) in the case of the Uyghur people.

On September 13, 2007, the People’s Republic of China (PRC), along with 142 other countries, voted to adopt the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples. By voting for the Declaration, the PRC recognized that indigenous persons are a particularly vulnerable group in general and specifically supported the principles outlined and rights explicitly enumerated in the articles of this long awaited essential human rights Declaration.

In practice, the PRC government violates almost every article of the Declaration that it supported at the UN, routinely violating the fundamental rights of the Uyghur people. Uyghurs’ culture, religion and language are all under attack by the PRC government. Uyghurs do not have substantive control over their own education, media, or employment, and they have no voice in the region’s government. Uyghurs are also denied access to or benefit from East Turkestan’s land and resources.

"While UNDRIP guarantees Uyghurs' rights across a spectrum of areas, the reality is that Uyghurs are marginalized in their own homeland," said Uyghur democracy leader Rebiya Kadeer. "Uyghurs also lack access to any mechanism with which they can seek redress for violations of their rights."

UHRP's report begins by briefly reviewing the development of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples and demonstrating that the Uyghurs are the indigenous people of East Turkestan. The main body of the report then examines the Articles of the Declaration with respect to the Uyghur case, by discussing violations of articles in categories such as Fundamental Rights, Life and Security, and Culture, Religion and Language (among others). While not all-inclusive, the report highlights some of the most egregious ways in which Uyghurs’ fundamental, social and cultural rights are violated by the Chinese government, with respect to international law and often domestic law as well. For instance, in the area of Culture, Religion and Language, the report examines the ways in which the PRC controls the freedom of religion for Uyghurs in East Turkestan, effectively undermining Uyghurs’ identity. In conclusion, the report offers suggestions to address the situation, both to the United Nations and the Chinese government.

The report, United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous People and the Uyghurs of East Turkestan (also known as the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region or XUAR, People’s Republic of China), can be downloaded at


The comment above was posted by Heverci at December 12, 2008 12:00 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

the nuclear program had been hosting hospitality to US experts as well. To France and Pakistan as well? no suprise. geopolitik talks.

The comment above was posted by gao at December 12, 2008 04:28 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

why that man call michael had delete the nuclear site of america that yong had posted? why he posted the nuclear site of china and posted the following sentence.
"A stumper for your next quiz night: Name all of the countries that have exploded atomic weapons in Xinjiang.

The answer: China and... Pakistan.

well tell you why. what happen in india must be a lunatic fanatic crazy man like michael that plan the terror attack against india...because every normal person can feel it about the 9/11 conspiracy.
don't delete my message michael.be a man.

The comment above was posted by jun at December 13, 2008 05:50 PM unofficial Xinjiang time.

michael. why you are so afraid and close the curtain of comment in your posting BORN LIFE and LUVCHINA. you are a big boy and still you are so afraid to answer all the question. until now you just turn blind. how is your UNDERGROUND BUNKER? is there any aircon? television and those SEX TOY? maybe you belong what we call SHEMALE. MICHAEL. why you become a lunatic, fanatic and a bloodthirsty liar. are you a bandits. MICHAEL MICHAEL.

The comment above was posted by lingling at December 20, 2008 05:35 PM unofficial Xinjiang time.


I love to see if your blog and your shitty friends will actually bring down china and flame up another independence movement

china is not perfect..so?
not all chinese are perfecr..so?
how about you americans and other ignorant westerners?
you are no better than us pakistanis.
can't believe his blog got deleted..but that does not mean that you have won...

i'm sure with the rate you are going..people will know who you are..and slowly more chinese will join in this movement to remove sad westerners like you who hide behind a teaching job to destroy china

I hope more people can actually understand more about china

michael behave yourself

The comment above was posted by junao at December 21, 2008 04:04 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

Holy shit.

The comment above was posted by Tiako at December 21, 2008 06:11 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

@chinese pig
fuck your china, fuck all your dirty chinese woman. fuck you and shit you chinese. god blessed america. go go go michael.

The comment above was posted by william at December 21, 2008 06:52 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

shit you china, shit you chinaman but we want to fuck all chinese woman. we love you michael.

The comment above was posted by bwnick at December 21, 2008 07:28 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

arent these comments becoming slightly tawdry?

Really such low life language. I feel ill. This is absurd, but perhaps an effort to degrade the blog to gutter level- a fine smoke screen indeedl, theri purpose is clear- if not contrived, then it is staement of their very low mental and emotional states. Pity,Pity them is all I can say.

Im posting here because Michael who I consider a living bodhisatva, an enlightened person, christ -like in his turning of the other cheek- constantly, has in his wisdom chosen to close the other topics which appeared after this one.

These projectionist ultranationalist posters, none of whom none live in China (because they know how crap life is there) bombard Michael with accusations of which he is obviously innocent.

As Ive posted b4 the real issue here is a Han chauvinist hatred of the minorities and their own identity and freedom of spirit. It is because of people like these and their entrenched attitdes within Chinese society (world- wide) that the Uyghur amd Tibetan and others need to be freed of these feudal/ medieval trogladytes nad the attitudes they represent which belong to another age, another century. Yeah China sent a man into space 40 years too late but these guys are actually 400 years behind! Chin arule the world - oh really, that will never happen.

Turkestan and Tibet will be free. It will happen- it will come. China has no future with such mentalities as those expressed here in their vitriol towards Michael!

The comment above was posted by roebuck at December 21, 2008 10:21 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

you are right bro roebuck.lets give shit to the chinese,pakistanis and all the arab muslim a big shit. go go go michael. go go go. fuck the chinese and all their young girl. fuck china.go go go michael. victory belong to you.

The comment above was posted by bwnick at December 21, 2008 12:49 PM unofficial Xinjiang time.

are you a masonian? bro bwnick? what location and lodge do you belong? is bro roebuck also a bro of the masonian? if so, you have disgrace the masonian bro all over the world. i bro heinz personally with sincerity in behalf of all the bro of the masonian. with my sincerity apologise to all the people of china, pakistan and the arab muslim. we masonian never never speak such insult word to any nationalities.

The comment above was posted by lodge at December 21, 2008 06:19 PM unofficial Xinjiang time.

I never understood why the nationalists on this site resorted to creating new usernames and using the to post racist filth against China. It doesn't make Michael look bad, it doesn't make the sane posters look bad. The best they can hope for is a casual reader to think "Hmm. It looks like both sides have madmen". But really, it isn't like they are fooling anyone.

The comment above was posted by Tiako at December 22, 2008 02:00 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

only one side are insane and mad and crazy. that side belong to that lunatic fanatic crazy blood thirsty call michael.who only know how to create trouble and afraid to face oldwiseman question. michael is a coward living in the underground bunker.michael and his disciple are the one who resorted in creating new username to conceal their identity. everybody know that. that is why michael delete any comment that he is not satisfy with. and aftraid to face the truth. thats why michael close the curtain of BORN LIFE and LUVCHINA. ASHAME and FEAR is like a sharp sword inserted into his heart and michael close the curtain.

The comment above was posted by lingling at December 22, 2008 06:23 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

lingling yu are deluded beyond belief, what an entertainment yu 2 guys are. hahhhaaaaa, keep going, its christmas, the season to be merry.ho ho ho ho ho ho go yu dog eaters, ho ho ho ho ho ho ho!

go yu hypocritical haters of the west who live in the west but in a schizophrenic attachment to the motherland attack america all day and attept to attack any one who points out the cruelty and inhumanity of the CCP towards their own colonized peoples.

This is good that yu attack Michael using your many alaises; we know there are basically two of yu fuckwits, desperate, sick, overweight and full of shit, but to be honest im sure Michael luvs your posts - yu see he must be doing something right that irritates yu, something true because from your posts any sensible person can discern that yu 2 guys are absolute idiots as well as childish fools who project your schizoid fantasies and murderous diatribe onto Michael, like he is doing that, while all the time it is yu 2 girls (i should say) who are propagating hatred, and foul ethnic unrest by your constant fascist/ racist stands and slurs.

Nobody but the few extremists your posts have drawn out slanders the Chinese people on this blog. but you guys here slander one and all with the most disgraceful, sickenming bastardized language one could ever come across on the net- its relaly that bad, not just the grammar etc., but the way yu use language - it is the mongrel language of a hate filled dog!

so we know what yu are and we know what yu dont- obviously, go bark away, up another tree, go find your bitch the ccp whore and stick it right up her! better than getting your scrotum tickled in the phillipines, hey chin?

The comment above was posted by roebuck at December 22, 2008 11:43 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

@ lodge

get fucked!

got it?

The comment above was posted by roebuck at December 22, 2008 11:48 AM unofficial Xinjiang time.

@roebuck, shhhhhhhh. don't shout. the world will hear you.

The comment above was posted by jun at December 22, 2008 12:09 PM unofficial Xinjiang time.