Thanks Micheal for this relevant, informed, insightful post.

re:

"I'm not even that worried about the local farmers, to tell you the truth. They live off the land, have very few costs, and are able to get by even in very lean times."

I think another problem here however, will be that many nanjiang farmers have been forced to grow cotton as well;and forced to sell at below market price to the state buyers; which means more than likely they will not get paid for their crops at all if things go down the shute; and probably whats worse have not been able to grow other traditional crops such as wheat, to offset a possible dearth in the land.

All factors which as yu say could lead to a very grim economic scenario; and especially for Uyghur youth.

The Millions of itinerant, floating, Han who pick cotton mainly on bintgtuan farms, can stay home and perhaps experience even moreso some of the poverty Uyghur farmers do experience often; and if your dour protection is correct, will continue to do so in the future.

correction

'if your dour prediction is correct, will continue to do so in the future.'

Spending Stalls and Businesses Slash U.S. Jobs
David Walter Banks for The New York Times
Rochelle and Dwight Stokes of Phenix City, Ala., have both lost their jobs recently.

By LOUIS UCHITELLE
Published: October 25, 2008
As the financial crisis crimps demand for American goods and services, the workers who produce them are losing their jobs by the tens of thousands.

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Layoffs have arrived in force, like a wrenching second act in the unfolding crisis. In just the last two weeks, the list of companies announcing their intention to cut workers has read like a Who’s Who of corporate America: Merck, Yahoo, General Electric, Xerox, Pratt & Whitney, Goldman Sachs, Whirlpool, Bank of America, Alcoa, Coca-Cola, the Detroit automakers and nearly all the airlines.

When October’s job losses are announced on Nov. 7, three days after the presidential election, many economists expect the number to exceed 200,000. The current unemployment rate of 6.1 percent is likely to rise, perhaps significantly.

“My view is that it will be near 8 or 8.5 percent by the end of next year,” said Nigel Gault, chief domestic economist at Global Insight, offering a forecast others share. That would be the highest unemployment rate since the deep recession of the early 1980s.

Companies are laying off workers to cut production as consumers, struggling with their own finances, scale back spending. Employers had tried for months to cut expenses through hiring freezes and by cutting back hours. That has turned out not to be enough, and with earnings down sharply in the third quarter, corporate America has turned to layoffs.

“People have grown very nervous,” said Harry Holzer, a labor economist at Georgetown University and the Urban Institute, tracing cause and effect. “They have seen a lot of their wealth wiped out and as they cut back their spending, companies are responding with layoffs, which hurts consumption even more.”

The unemployment is widespread, with Rhode Island the hardest hit.

For Dwight and Rochelle Stokes of Phenix City, Ala., the layoffs are a family event. He lost his job two weeks ago as an aviation mechanic at the Pratt & Whitney jet engine facility near his home — a few days after his wife lost hers as a cosmetologist at Great Clips, a family-owned barbershop and beauty salon.

“It got really slow in July and August,” Ms. Stokes said. “I would sit there for two hours, and some days we had only 10 clients, four of us for 10 clients.”

The broadening layoffs are most pronounced on Wall Street, in the auto industry, in construction, in the airlines and in retailing. The steel mills, big suppliers to many sectors of the economy, are shutting 17 of the nation’s 29 blast furnaces — a startling indicator of how quickly output is declining as corporate America struggles to adjust to the spreading crisis.

my(yong)conclusion,

refer@roebuck

All factors which as you say could lead to a very grim economic scenario; and especially for all american ethic group youth.

that is a respond for you roebuck from

I'm trying to wrap my head around a million tons of cotton. Might be easier to think about it in cubic meters. How much would that be anyway?

Well, a bale of tightly packed cotton weighs 500lbs or about 225kg. There are 4.4 bales in a ton, so 1 million tons is 4,400,000 bales.

If you look at this photo of a cotton bale, it looks to be about the size of the bed of a small pickup truck. Just multiply that by 4.4 million.

very good mathematician. can you compute how many pebbles of sugar in one kilogram? i hope i can have the answer in 24 hour instead of 60 years.

chin spell wrong english word again. very poor english. "its not pebbles. it should be granule". okay. please compute how many granule of sugar in one kilograms.

Globilization is truly a marvelous force. If it makes you feel any better about it, without globalization, the mother would not have been picking cotton in the first place. Globalization's failure is wonderful in that it only brings it back to square one.

But, to lighten the mood, sing to the tune of "Dixieland":

Oh, I wish I were in the land of mutton,
good times there are not forgotten!
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Uighur land!

I wish I were in Xinjiang!
Hooray! Hooray!
The Uighurs came, and beat the Tang
And that's what makes it Xinjiang.
Away! Away! Away out West is Xianjiang!

If it is the massive unemployment, social unrest everyone is worried about. According to the government, 7% growth will bring massive unemployment, and right now the growth is at 9%, worse is not yet here. To maintain the growth, the question was to use Chinese foreign reserve on buying America debt or stimulating Chinese consumer market. The answer apparent is the latter. China just revealed its own $586 billion stimulus plan, which sounds like to me is a continuous effort to narrow the gap between rich and poor, curb the potential animosity. There was already a promise of universal health care, social medicine by 2020 and also there was the land reform. The new stimulus plan is to target basic infrastructure, health care, education. All these hopefully mean instead of saving for the future, Chinese will come out and spend. I myself is happy for the measurement, it makes me think the government at least can take care of its citizens. What should be on people's mind is those whose government is either weak or does not have as much cash. They will take most of the effect of the food crisis. Again, it is only my personal view.

annie

could you please explain to us what an American 'ethic' group is?

I want to join one!

@roebuck
did you ever read history of america from the past up to the present? if not. i recommend you better go to the book store and buy the latest edition. anyway. its affordable to purchase it. or you may go to the national library of your country. and i also don't understand is that you can memorise all the chinese ethic group, yet you want me to explain your own country ethic group for you. quite strange.

So you're telling me it's probably enough cotton to fill Delaware. I'm sure Biden would enjoy that.

Annie, he was commenting on your use of "ethic group" rather than "ethnic group", likely because you came down rather hard on chin for his use of "pebble" instead of "granule" ("grain" is better accepted in the vernacular). It just goes to show, always double check for grammar and spelling when correcting someone's English.

That's "Engrish" Tiako. Gawd, must I corect evrey bodys speling?

annie,

didnt you see, the question above from roebleduck was 'what is an 'ethic' group?' Do you read your own writing? You surely mean 'ethnic' group dont you? and you always correcting chin for his bad spelling. What a joke?

learning engrish, grammar, speling and being corect by jimba and spec is very good for me. thank you very much. ...yes we can... learn here.

now. how many grain of sugar in one kilograms? i hope the very good mathematician can compute for us not after 60 years. its past over 24 hour as of now.

its quite easy. even the kindergarden student can answer and compute "how many grains of sugar in one kilograms". i hope my english grammar is correct.

That's quite a kindergarten kid, able to do complex decimal multiplication (just having fun here). It really depends on how much a grain of sugar weighs. Wikianswers states a grain is 5*10^-38 kg (actually the units aren't stated, but that actually doesn't affect my reasoning). I doubt this very strongly. A single sucrose molecule ways in at 5.678*10^-22 g. In fact, 5*10^-38 g is considerably lighter than a single hydrogen atom. Regardless.

Annie, your English there is fine, except for two nitpicks (Which I only bring up because I assume you want to improve your grammar): you should have used “it's” instead of “its”, and you only use the pronoun “the” when referring to something specific.

Tiako, also an incorrect usage of the plural for kilogram(s). Should be 'one kilogram'. ah pedantry, ah...

@tiako
your computation is wrong. sugar can't be count or computed of how many granule in one kilogram. so the answer is ZERO. the theory is when you mixed the sugar in water or any liquid just like coffee or etc etc it melted. only we feel the sweetening.

@chin. you are great in mathematic. but your english was so poor that it look like broken english.

@tiako - 'the' is the definite article, not a pronoun

'sucrose molecule ways in at 5.678*10^-22 g.' - no, 'it weighs in at'

@annie
yes. my english,spelling and grammar was so poor. but they understand what i mean. 'yes we can' learn here.

*on discussion of Grammar Jimba was no where to be seen.... or seen to be...

I see someone scoffing at bad English. We are Chinese, we don't speak English. Why do you force your language on us while conclude our effect of teaching Chinese in XJUAR as cultural deprivation? This is double standards. We don't accept double standards, we love every ethnic group and we fight for justice.

@ Double standards.

You goose. Your reasoning is twisted. This is an English language blog. No one is forcing English on anyone else here, let alone doublestandards. Go de-stress your phobias some where else if yu dont like it.

love every ethnic group, sure, sure, hahahhhaaa

just to get away from the ridiculous question of the weight of bloody sugar granules could this off topic post raise the question: are we all snooped upon?

CHINA'S CYBER SPIES
HACKER ARMY INFILTRATING US

November 12, 2008

GOT news for you: The Chinese are eating our cyber lunch.

In the last few weeks, the media have been filled with reports of Chinese cyber spies penetrating the computer networks of both presidential campaigns and even the White House, reading unclassified, but clearly privileged, e-mails.

Unfortunately, that's only the beginning of it.

No surprise that the Chinese would be interested in what's being said in the White House, even the non-secret stuff. White House staffers have access to plenty of information that would be of interest to the chaps in Zhongnanhai (the Chinese leadership compound).

For instance, Beijing would be especially keen to read the chitchat about the financial crisis and how Washington planned to act on it. In fact, such information could've led to China's decision to prime its own pump with nearly $600 billion in stimulus this week.

They'd probably also be interested in even idle White House gossip about the new president-elect, Barack Obama, who hasn't yet met with senior Chinese leaders such as President Hu Jintao, preventing them from sizing him up in person.

Snooping on the political campaigns makes perfect sense, too. Intruding into both John McCain and Obama's computer networks - essentially looking over the shoulders of campaign staff - might give Beijing a sense of where the incoming president might go on issues important to China.

Beijing would love to know the inside skinny on how the candidates really feel about trade policies, human and religious rights and, of course, support for Taiwan, especially US weapons sales.

China's hacker army is also targeting American industry for espionage, especially the defense industry, where new weapons systems and top-of-the-line defense technology are at the center of the bull's eye.

Hey, why spend billions of dollars and years to develop a sophisticated weapons system when you can steal data on it with a few keystrokes on a laptop and an Internet connection?

The same is true with the civilian side of private industry. Beijing is pilfering the technology of US and other foreign firms that set up shop on Chinese soil. In fact, some firms resist putting cutting-edge research and development there for exactly that reason.

Since traditional espionage can be tough in a foreign country (recruiting a spy to pinch information can be expensive, difficult and politically risky), the Chinese have turned to cyberspace. This makes it difficult, if not impossible, to determine who's picked your pocket, providing plausible deniability to the cyber spook. Spies cover their electronic tracks by routing their penetration through any number of surrogate servers around the world, making finger-pointing difficult.

Not surprisingly, the amount of industrial cyber espionage is grossly underreported, as firms fret over acknowledging that their intellectual property - the crown-jewels of their efforts - has been "exfiltrated."

That's probably not something they want to announce to their stockholders or Wall Street.

In the end, the Chinese aren't only stealing our industrial and defense secrets, but something more important: our ability to compete globally.

America's great strength has been its ability to innovate - to develop new ideas and concepts. Arguably, no country in history has been as ground-breaking in as many fields as Uncle Sam. It's something we've a right to be proud of.

The theft of our intellectual property - by anyone - means we'll be less able to compete in international markets as well as protect our security interests, including against the likes of a rising China, destined to be a peer competitor.

You can't blame the Chinese for reading our mail. But now it's time for some more American ingenuity: finding the means to end China's ability - or anyone else's - to steal the genius that comes from the sweat of our brows.

Heritage Foundation senior fellow Peter Brookes is a former Pentagon official.

btw, doublestandards.

it was a Chinese named Annie who scoffed at a Chinese named chin's exceptionally poor English here, not a native English speaker. See? Read back over the posts carefully before posting your own inane ethnocentric rot!

@roebuck
correction please. annie is not a chinese. she is a exchange student from italy taking mandarin language course here in beijing. annie did not scoffed at me. next time please write honestly. hope you should learn mandarin. its good for you.

chin. you are absolutely right about this blog. hahaha. run by a funny man sine june. this funny man surely dont know what we know. its so funnnny.

@yong..........shhhhhhhh.....keep quiet. come and join us.

That’s great, I never thought about global financial crisis like that before.

@roebuck, this chin fellow seems to have a very low level of comprehension. Talking with him is truly a boring, unrewarding experience.

Oh, and it's confirmed: chin is a liar.

"annie did not scoffed at me. next time please write honestly."

Right.

Or perhaps chin simply does not understand English.

Sorry for being out of topic. BTW, this is a nice blog. Just try to avoid reading chin's inane posts.

@AIM. i did not scooffed at chin. you are just fabricating baseless statement again chin. frankly speaking. since june. we all know who run this fuunny blog and by using ......... hah. why should i tell you. only we know but you dont know what we know even 60 years after. FUNNY BLOG RUN BY A FUNNY MAN.

Don't expect any help from me Chin. I am a Grammar nazi... I like to consider it creative grammar....

Tried to post here but don't see it. Lost in shuffle?

Or private club?

@annie, you really did scoff at chin's english.

"chin spell wrong english word again. very poor english. "its not pebbles. it should be granule". okay. "

"@chin. you are great in mathematic. but your english was so poor that it look like broken english."

See? BTW annie, your English is no less atrocious than chin's.

"i did not scooffed at chin"
"you are just fabricating baseless statement again chin"

Oh wait, let's see... similar writing styles, bad English, inane out of topic posts, and patting each other on the back. Hmmm... could it be that annie and chin are another sample of multiple personality disorder, suffered by so many patriotic red Han Chinese in this blog? Naaahhh...

@AIM.
sure of course. we are so poor in english, because we are not english speaking people since we were born. but we speak our language fluently. can you? but we are interested to learn foreign language and 'yes we can'. frankly speaking. this blog was run by a very funny man and his funny disciple writing for him since june. we know but you don't know what we know even 60 year after. can you?

Hallo!
read in China Daily today:
China must insist 2008-11-15 20:33
that rich americans use their billions to rebuild USA's economy and not stash them in Jersey, Cayman island resorts!

Lost in shuffle. Good. Xinjiang is my very favorite place I will almost surely never get to visit. And, being born in South Carolina, USA, I especially enjoyed Annie's Dixie revision. I want more:

In Uighur land where I warn't born

Ain't been there yet so can't return

Look away! Look away!

Look away! Uighur land.

O,if I was in Turfan!
Hooray! Hooray!

I'd dig a well beneath hot hell
And grow a giant melon.

Away, away, out west in Xinjiang!

Oh, I wish I were in the land of mutton,
good times there are not forgotten!
Look away! Look away! Look away!
Uighur land!

I wish I were in Xinjiang!
Hooray! Hooray!
The Manchus came, and beat the Uighurs
And that's what makes it Xinjiang, not Turkestan.
Away! Away! Away out West is Xianjiang!

this is all gettin real crazy huh?

inane, seems the buzz word of the moment

how about:

asinine

y'all get it who get it i know,

love yas.

@chin,

in regard Mandarin speaking. Do you know how few Uyghur speak it? Also, what makes you assume i dont?

Here is an article about a Uyghur woman whose mother doesnt speak Mandarin. This should also deeply concern you as we have often heard here from you how concerned you are about Women's rights, read on...

By Tim Johnson
McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Friday, November 14, 2008

BEIJING — A Muslim Uighur woman who's more than six months pregnant remained under watch in a hospital in China's far northwest Friday awaiting a forced abortion by authorities who don't want her to have a third child.

A nurse who's tending to the woman at a hospital in Yining, near China's border with Kazakhstan, said physicians had delayed the abortion because of international queries about her case.

China maintains a one-child-per-family rule on majority Han Chinese, with more flexible rules for ethnic minorities, to contain its massive population of 1.3 billion citizens.

Those who violate the rule must pay large fines, although reports of officials ordering forced abortions in rural and semirural areas are fairly common.

The case of Arzigul Tursun is raising attention because she's 26 weeks pregnant and supporters say that an abortion could threaten her health. Her husband, who goes by the single name Nurmemet, said officials in their village near Yining learned of the pregnancy and warned the couple that their house and other property would be seized if Arzigul didn't undergo an abortion.

He said the couple might have until Monday to appeal their case.

Arzigul is at the Municipal Watergate Hospital in Yining in the Xinjiang Autonomous Region, which is populated heavily with Uighurs (pronounced WEE-gers), a Turkic-speaking Muslim minority. Militant Uighurs seeking independence from China have carried out a terrorism campaign that's intensified this year, and social tensions in the region are high.

U.S. Rep. Christopher Smith, a New Jersey Republican, wrote China's ambassador to Washington, Zhou Wenzhong, on Thursday to demand that "the nightmare of a forced abortion" not be carried out.

"The Chinese government is notorious for this barbaric practice, but to forcibly abort a woman while the world watches in full knowledge of what is going on would make a mockery of its claim that the central government disapproves of the practice," Smith said in a statement.

Arzigul and Nurmemet already have two girls at their home in the village of Bulaq. According to the Washington-based Uyghur Human Rights Project, Arzigul fled Bulaq when officials first urged her to have an abortion, but she returned after her family received threats of asset seizure.
"We considered our two girls," Nurmemet said in a telephone interview. "If the house and properties were taken away, how would they live? So my wife came back home and went to the hospital."

China's family-planning policy allows minorities, including Uighurs, to have more than one child. If minority couples are urban dwellers, they may have two children, while rural farmers may have three children. Many majority Han Chinese see those exceptions as unfair.

Arzigul holds a rural household registration but her husband is registered in an urban area, creating some legal confusion. Local officials eventually demanded that she terminate her pregnancy.

Reached at her daughter's hospital bedside, Arzigul's mother, who doesn't speak Mandarin, said through a Mandarin-speaking nurse that the family didn't agree with aborting.

China says its population would have swelled far more if 400 million abortions hadn't been performed in the past three decades.

McClatchy special correspondent Hua Li contributed.

The Abortion Capital of America
As the pro-life movement intensifies nationwide, New York contemplates its history and future as a refuge.
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Abortion providers in Manhattan, Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx.
(Photo: Edward Keating/Contact Press)

In 1970, New York passed the most permissive abortion law in America, one that defined the state as the country’s abortion refuge. Overnight, a new industry materialized in New York City, promoting itself to women across the country. The pitches were often blunt. A newspaper ad from the time inquired, “Want to be un-pregnant?”

Thirty-five years later, New York has the highest abortion rate in America. In 2000, the last year for which good data are available, 39 out of every 1,000 women in the state ended a pregnancy, for a total of 164,000 abortions that year. In America, one of every ten abortions occurs in New York, and in New York, seven of every ten abortions are performed in New York City. In absolute terms, there are more abortions performed on minors, more repeat abortions, and more late abortions (over 21 weeks) in New York City than anywhere else in the country. In parts of the city, the ratio of abortions to births is one to one.

The New Underground Railroad
The migration has already begun for a procession of women hoping to get second-trimester abortions. When liberal-minded volunteers play host, female solidarity and class anxiety collide.

Over the past twenty years, while legislatures have circumscribed access to abortion in state after state, especially for the poor and the young, New York has remained an island of unrestricted abortion rights. Medicaid pays for abortions for low-income women. Teenagers don’t need a parent’s permission to have an abortion. There are no 24-hour waiting periods. Thirty-four major clinics in New York City each perform more than 400 abortions per year.

New York becomes more pro-choice every year. After years of electoral free fall, the New York Right to Life Party failed to win enough votes in 2002 to stay on the ballot. The party doesn’t even have a Website anymore. The New York Right to Life Committee, which founded the national anti-abortion movement in 1967, hasn’t had a legislative victory in years. No pro-life candidate can win statewide office in New York. Ambitious Republicans climbing toward the governor’s mansion, like George Pataki, and now John Faso, hastily ditch their pro-life pasts. New York City’s mayor is one of the most pro-choice politicians in the country.

In short, New York is the abortion capital of America

yes but they do not rip 26 week old babies from unwilling mothers bellies in New York, do they Chin= annie?

lets get to the real point which is not abortion in itself or the fact one can easily or cant easily get an abortion in America. This is all about choice or choices, and the freedom of choice, especially choosing to keep a baby rather than abort it:

BUT, the issue here is in the case in mention in Xinjiang:

the brutal denial of women's rights and deadly late induced abortion against their will; as well as economic punishment for failing to comply with state sanctioned abortion.

your article says nothing in support of defense of this form of state inspired sexual terror; it just tells us what we already know about America. your tit for tat posting is inane and once again a classic example of your asinine intelligence. get with it log-head.

ps. if you want some pics of lovely abortions in Xinjiang I can post the link.

chin=annie???
there is no need to post for those fake picture. because we know...you don't know...what we know..
about this blog not even after 60 year later.
thanks, just keep all the picture in the dark room and keep it for yourself.

annie, how come you speak just like Chin?

with All the same phraseology and quirky diatribe?

Ah, um, fake photos. You would be shocked wouldnt you, if your eally knew what goes on.

Um, are you an Italian?

Have you had an abortion?

Lately?

yes the fotos would really freak out a little communist stooge like yourself. Oh no, not again...the ...the...truth...the ugly...horrible, truth about what we [CCP Communists] are really about.

Hmm, last place, last time, such clinical terrorism was carried out against another people was in...was that germany? or Japan? in 19...?

o, ho, ho, all is well in China. ho, ho., hao, hao hao

nothing rotten and evil ever happens in the wonderful zhong guo. ho, ho, ho!

Ok lil annie ill keep the fotos in the dark or you might just have a seizure. poor little sensitive gal you are.

haahahaaaaaa

@spec with parenthesis tagon.
please behave when addressing to a lady. well, you can add me chin=annie=yong=======xxxxxxxxx.
we have already told you.
'we know....you don't know...what we know...' about this funny blog since june. DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?

Uyghur Woman Found, Facing Abortion
2008-11-17

Authorities find an ethnic Uyghur woman who fled to avoid a forced abortion, which her husband says is now imminent.

HONG KONG—An ethnic Uyghur woman in China’s northwestern Xinjiang region who fled a local hospital to avoid a forced abortion has been found by police and taken under guard to a larger hospital, according to her husband.

“The police found my wife,” Nurmemet Tohtasin said in a telephone interview from the Women and Children’s Welfare Hospital in Ili prefecture. “My wife’s father was already at the hospital. They will probably do the abortion today.”

Police tracked down Arzigul Tursun, six months pregnant with her third child, at a relative’s home Monday afternoon, he said. Late Sunday, Tursun had fled Gulja's municipal Water Gate Hospital, where she was scheduled to undergo an abortion against her will.

“Arzigul ran away while the village official who was guarding her went to get her dinner. She left with her slippers, a shirt, and a sleeveless jacket. She didn’t take her bag or her other clothing,” Tohtasin said earlier.

“A village population-control committee member, Bumaryam, told me about this by phone around 8 p.m. The village chief and party secretary took me to the hospital and asked me to find Arzigul. I had to take them to two of Arzigul’s relatives’ homes and to her parents’ home,” Tohtasin said.

“They said if we don’t find Arzigul, they would take our house and our farmland,” he said.

Searched all night

Other relatives, also contacted by telephone, said police had searched their homes looking for Tursun.

The local Party secretary, Nurali, declined to comment, and the Dadamtu township mayor, Juret, hung up the phone. But a nurse at Water Gate hospital confirmed Monday that Tursun had left. “Arzigul ran away,” she said.

Bumaryam, the village official assigned to guard Tursun, said authorities had searched all night Sunday for Tursun and would continue searching until they found her.

China's one-child-per-family policy applies mainly to majority Han Chinese and allows ethnic minorities, including Uyghurs, to have additional children, with peasants permitted to have three children and city-dwellers two.

But while Tursun is a peasant, her husband is from the city of Gulja [in Chinese, Yining], so their status is unclear. The couple live with their two children in Bulaq village, Dadamtu township, in Gulja.

Their experience sheds rare light on how China's one-child policy is enforced in remote parts of the country through fines, financial incentives, and heavy-handed coercion by zealous local officials eager to meet population targets set by cadres higher up.

Detailed policy

On Nov. 11, Tohtasin said, an official named Rashide from the village family planning committee came to their home and escorted the couple, along with Arzigul's father, to the Water Gate Hospital.

There, Tohtasin said, he was pressured into signing forms authorizing an abortion.

According to China’s official news agency, Xinhua, Uyghurs in the countryside are permitted three children while city-dwellers may have two.

Under “special circumstances,” rural families are permitted one more child, although what constitutes special circumstances was unclear.

The government also uses financial incentives and disincentives to keep the birthrate low.

Couples can also pay steep fines to have more children, although the fines are well beyond most people's means.

The official Web site China Xinjiang Web reports that in Kashgar, Hotan, and Kizilsu [in Chinese, Kezilesu], areas populated almost entirely by Uyghurs, women over 49 with only one child are entitled to a one-time payment of 3,000 yuan (U.S. $440), with the couple receiving 600 yuan (U.S. $88) yearly afterward.

China's official Tianshan Net reported that population control policies in Xinjiang have prevented the births of some 3.7 million people over the last 30 years.

And according to China Xinjiang Web on Sept. 26, 2008, the government will spend 25.6 million yuan (U.S. $3.7 million) this year rewarding families who have followed the population policy.

The one-child policy is enforced more strictly in cities, but penalties for exceeding a family's quota can be severe, including job losses, demotions, or expulsion from the Party, experts say.

Officials at all levels are subject to rewards or penalties based on whether they meet population targets set by their administrative region. Citizens are legally entitled to sue officials who they believe have overstepped their authority in enforcing the policy.

Tense relations

Relations between Chinese authorities and the predominantly Muslim Uyghur population have a long and tense history, with many Uyghurs objecting in particular to the mass immigration of Han Chinese to the region and to Beijing’s population-control policy.

Uyghurs formed two short-lived East Turkestan republics in the 1930s and 40s during the Chinese civil war and the Japanese invasion.

But China subsequently took control of the region, and Beijing has in recent years launched a campaign against Uyghur separatism, which it calls a war on Islamic terrorism.

It has also accused “hostile forces” in the West of fomenting unrest in the strategically important and resource-rich region, which borders several countries in Central Asia.

Yong, i mean, Chin, where is your voice about the abuse of women's Rights in Xinjiang?

Surely, you must care about this brutal abuse of a woman's Rights. No double standards please. If you have nothing to say about this, you 3 in 1 have nothing to say at all, ever!

yes, The discussions on June's threads were extremely acerbic. Im glad things have calmed down now since the earthquake and the great non-event known as the Beijing Olympics.

One commenter back in June did get it very right in regards commentators such as yong and chin, he said

"Poor Michael, now the bots who spam your blog know how to submit the security number...
Would it be bad to erase some of the reactions? This brilliant blog could become another warplace, where language rapists show their love of the superior nation while improving their english skills. yuck.

Posted by: Jun at June 12, 2008 12:45 PM"

Such prescience!

Forced cotton picking to Fprced Abortion, the story is all about FORCE:

REP. PITTS URGES CHINA TO CANCEL FORCED ABORTION AND
November 17, 2008

Rep. Pitts urges China to cancel forced abortion and let woman go
Reports note Chinese officials planning to force Uyghur woman to undergo abortion against her will

Washington– Congressman Joe Pitts (PA-16) released the following statement today regarding reports that Chinese officials are holding a Uyghur ethnic minority woman, Arzigul Tursun, and plan to force her to undergo an abortion:

"I call on the Chinese Government to immediately intervene in order to stop any forced abortion from taking place.” Congressman Pitts said. “Though we know Chinese authorities regularly use forced abortions to enforce its coercive population control program, carrying out this brutal procedure with the world watching Arzigul Tursun’s case would display an utter disregard for any notion of human rights by the Chinese authorities. The Chinese Government should immediately release her from custody and allow her to carry her child to term.”

Background

On Thursday, November 13, Radio Free Asia and the Uyghur Human Rights Project reported that Chinese authorities tried to pressure Arzigul Tursun, a Uyghur ethnic minority, who is 26 weeks pregnant with her third child, to have an abortion. When she refused and fled her home, authorities interrogated and threatened her relatives. Authorities took her into custody on November 11. According to the reports, the authorities forced a relative to sign a document authorizing the abortion. The abortion procedure was originally scheduled for Thursday, November 13.

Tursun escaped the hospital in order to avoid the forced abortion. After searching the homes of her friends and relatives, Chinese authorities captured her again, and are holding her now at a different hospital.

@ heverci

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BBC. That happened in Tibet this summer. The woman was a Tibetan woman living in Tibet.

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Clinical Death:

Protests rise as Chinese govt. edicts abortion for woman

Baptist Press
Posted on Nov 17, 2008

WASHINGTON (BP)--A woman who is six months pregnant is being held in a Chinese hospital for a forced abortion under the government's infamous population control program.

Arzigul Tursun, a mother of two, is awaiting an abortion she opposes while under guard in a hospital in Xinjiang, a vast region in the northwest part of the world's most populous country, according to Radio Free Asia (RFA). As a Uyghur Muslim, Tursun is permitted to have two children, but government officials have enforced the population control policy on her third child. She is 26 weeks into her pregnancy.

A pro-life U.S. congressman is protesting the unwanted abortion.

"The Chinese government is notorious for this barbaric practice, but to forcibly abort a woman while the world watches in full knowledge of what is going on would make a mockery of its claim that the central government disapproves of the practice, and of the U.N. Population Fund pretense that it has moderated the Chinese population planners' cruelty," said Rep. Chris Smith, R.-N.J., who sent a direct appeal to Zhou Wenzhong, China's ambassador to the United States. "Human rights groups and the U.S. government will be watching very carefully to see what happens to Arzigul and her family."

Tursun is being held at Yining's Water Gate Hospital, according to RFA.

"We will give an injection first. Then she will experience abdominal pain, and the baby will come out by itself," a nurse at the hospital said in a telephone interview, RFA reported Nov. 13. "But we haven't given her any injection yet -- we are waiting for instructions from the doctors."

China's population control policy, which has been in place since 1979, has been marked by forced abortions and sterilizations. Infanticide, especially of females, also has been reported. In addition to abortions and sterilizations, penalties for violations of the policy have included fines, arrests and the destruction of homes.

China's policy generally limits couples in urban areas to one child and those in rural areas to two, if the first is a girl. Uyghurs, a Turkic-speaking ethic group, and other minorities living in rural areas are allowed three children, but those from cities are permitted only two, according to Xinhua, China's official news agency, RFA reported. Tursun is from a rural area, but her husband, Nurmemet Tohtasin, is from a city.

The coercive program has helped produce a gender imbalance in the world's most populous country, with many girls being aborted in order to enable a male baby to be born later. China had 120 males born for every 100 females in 2005, according to the U.N. Population Fund, which U.S. researchers report has assisted the government's coercive population control program.

Tursun left the family's home in the village of Bulaq to prevent a forced abortion but returned under pressure.

"When she fled the village to avoid abortion, police and party officials, and the family planning committee officials, all came and interrogated us," said Tohtasin, according to RFA. "The deputy chief of the village ... threatened that if we didn't find Arzigul and bring her to the village, she would confiscate our land and all our property."

After Tursun returned home, her husband and she were taken Nov. 11 to the hospital by an official of the village's family planning committee, RFA reported. Tohtasin said he was pressured into signing permission forms for an abortion.

"If her health is normal, then the abortion will definitely take place," the official said, according to RFA. "Otherwise they have to pay a fine in the amount of [$6,590 in U.S. currency] -- that's a lot of money, and they won't have it."
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Tom Strode is Baptist Press' Washington bureau chief.

@doublestandard.

Your problem in understanding things has nothing to do with the English language. It is in the simple fact you are a moron. This is plain to see: that is, your super low intelligence and inability to comprehend even simple, basic truths. My advice: Give up!

@ doublestandards

I suppose that now in Xinjiang, the only way that many Uyghur can hope to progress, get ahead and make aliving is to learn Chinese would also be acase of double standards, would it not?

this blog is so funny. the story just the same since june. i mean this blog will never end about fairy tales story. just a few frustated man posting never ending story and repeatingxxx100 the criticism against china. anyway...
we know...but you don't know...what we hnow, haha. okay. give you some clue. nobody in this world will celebrate his birthday along in a very dark room with no jolly mood.. and also, we found out something about these man.....using...... hehe

Authorities Cancel Plans to Subject Uyghur Woman to Forced Abortion (Updated)
Yesterday | Western Sources

Congressional-Executive Commission on China
Nov 18, 2008

Authorities in the Xinjiang Uyghur Autonomous Region (XUAR) released from the hospital a Uyghur woman who is six months pregnant with her third child, after cancelling plans to subject her to a forced abortion for violating the region's population planning regulations, according to reports from Radio Free Asia (RFA). Unable to pay a 45,000 yuan (US$6,591) fine for exceeding the number of births permitted under the region's population planning system, Arzigul (Arzugül) Tursun, a villager from Ghulja county, initially fled home to avoid being forced to have an abortion in place of paying the fine, RFA reported on November 13. After pressuring Arzigul Tursun's family to locate her, authorities also coerced Arzigul Tursun's husband into signing papers to approve the abortion, RFA reported. After authorities took Arzigul Tursun to the hospital, hospital staff postponed the abortion from November 13 to November 17, according to RFA. Kept under guard, Arzigul Tursun fled the hospital on November 16 but was found the next day and taken to another hospital, RFA reported on November 17. Authorities later released her from the hospital without carrying out the abortion, according to a November 18 report from RFA. An official cited in the article said Arzigul was not healthy enough to undergo the abortion.

An official cited in the November 13 RFA report said Arzigul Tursun "should undergo an abortion" because she violated population planning requirements. Article 15 of the XUAR Regulation on Population and Family Planning permits urban ethnic minority couples to give birth to two children and rural couples to give birth to three. Where one member of the couple is an urban resident, urban birth limits apply. According to RFA, although Arzigul Tursun is a rural resident, her husband has urban residency status. Article 41 of the regulation requires those in violation of Article 15 to pay a fine equivalent to a multiple of a locality's average per capita income as a "social compensation fee." The regulation does not stipulate that pregnancies must be terminated if the fee cannot be paid, nor do separate procedures on paying the fees stipulate this. Item 6 of the procedures permits people facing economic hardship to apply to stagger payments of the fee. Article 39 of the national Population and Family Planning Law and Article 52 of the Xinjiang regulation provide sanctions for government officials who infringe on citizens' rights or abuse their power in carrying out population planning requirements.

As noted in the Congressional-Executive Commission on China 2008 Annual Report (via the Government Printing Office Web site), China's system of population planning, along with abuses like forced abortion engendered by the system, violate international human rights protections China is bound to uphold. For more information on China's population planning system, see section III--Population Planning in the 2008 CECC Annual Report. For information on conditions in Xinjiang, see Section-IV--Xinjiang. Advocacy on Arzigul Tursun's behalf by Members of the U.S. Congress has included, for example, a November 17 press release by Representative Joe Pitts and a November 13 press release by Representative Chris Smith.

Posted on: 2008-11-18

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