If you know how many and how fast parties/groups are established/vanished in oversea Chinese dissident communities, you know it is quite commom that someone forms a party tonight and disppears tomorrow.

I am also surprised that the "Beijing staged the vedio" argument came in so late. Someone in the west has to be sleeping.

"The timing is really suspicious," Mr Rexiti said. "The US Congress will pass a motion next week condemning China's crackdown on Uygurs And the Congress will ask US President George W. Bush to raise the issue with Chinese leaders.
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This is really a good news to Uygurs.
holy-America always stand on the justice side, at least,seems to be justice, hahhah

Most Chinese people are credulous，they trust the media without even a little doubt.
But among all kinds of "terrorists", the Islamic terrorists are easy for others to pretend, because they always cover their faces completely.

But meanwhile, uygurs, at least the ones I see, usually don't wear the veils. So I don't believe that video even the first sight.

PS: I wrote the same topic on my blog a few hours ago.

In order to pressure the Muslim world and occupy the oil resources, the Americans concocted a story of Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda.

Could someone please transcript and translate this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RVzt6OceuM ? I am curious because it sounds like Uyghurian and looks jihadish.

@ dyn

"In order to pressure the Uyghurs and occupy their oil resources, the Chinese concocted a story of ETIM and Al-Qaeda.

@spec
thank you, your replay is what I need.
:)

@ jimba re your post yestrrday on tHe pole dancing thread:

"Spec, I find it a good habit to do a bit of a background check on such authors in order to establish what song they’re singing too. Christoffersen works for The Center for Contemporary Conflict (CCC): An American think tank created by the U.S. Naval Postgraduate School's Department of National Security Affairs, where the pursuit of knowledge is seconded to supporting US foreign policy.

Author's like her write to an agenda. In 2002 the U.S were very keen to have China's support for their War on Terror, and it was also the same year the U.S named ETIM as a terrorist organisation. Xinjiang was in the U.S policy-markers orbit; unfortunately, it was all about proving Xinjiang HAD a terrorist problem. Truth became skewered.

Other Xinjiang authors I tend to take with a pinch of salt are Martin Wayne and Elizabeth Van Wei Davis: It’s all star-spangled banners, unfortunately"

thanks for clarifying that for me I was curious about the timing of the condemnation of the ETIM by China and the US and the publication of that article. Though I must say the term East Turkestan appears in the nomenclature of internal Chinese documents way before that period but of course without the handy 'terrorist' moniker.

What I find extremely interesting in Christoffersen's article written for the naval academy is her usage of a neo-Orientalist work like Justin Rudelson's 'Oasis Identities' to bolster her 'fragmentation' doctrine. Of course we know that academics also write to certain agendas and a deeper study of Rudelson's widely accepted 'thesis' reveals many flaws and pre-set opinions and assumptions projected onto the Uyghur and presented to an audience thirsting for information on the Uyghur and China's Muslims as ground breaking fact.

Fragmentation and lack of central unity appears to be the theme of some of the articles from Hong Kong above. Yet, such perceived fragmentation by Chinese 'experts' has been the strength of many resistance movements as well. The experts also overlook overlap between groups if the 50 or so they claim do indeed exist. If you have seen the film Algiers, the pattern of the underground movement had its strength in that each member of a group of five only knew one other member whose leader knew only one of the next link group of 5. Of course the French broke the chain by use of extreme torture.

This idea of central command is both a western and Chinese/ Communist/imperialist perception of how such groups work. How could the Uyghur ever confront the Han militarily anyway? it si afr more likely that the Uyghur success the Han experts fear will not come militarily or through the exertions of some centralized organization. The secrecy of small number groups also worked for the early Communists before they took on the mantle of the Qing Imperium and failed to keep their promises to the minorities deceived by Mao's imerialist objective.

re: these events cited in the above articles:

"On February 5, 1991, the "Islamic Reformist Party" carried out a bus bombing in Urumqi , killing and injuring more than 20 people."

Between June and September 1993, the "East Turkestan Democratic Islamic Party" carried out a series of bombings in southern Xinjiang, which led to at least two deaths and 36 injuries. On February 25, 1997, the "East Turkestan National Solidarity Union" staged a series of bomb attacks in Urumqi, which killed nine people and injured more than 60."

The 1991 events were claimed by many Uyghur to be bombs exploded by communist agents.

The 1993 events were to mark the execution of arrested Uyghurs associated with the 1991 Baren insurrection. One bomb was suppoised to go off for every executed Uyghur. The bombing of the Oasis hotel in Kashgar which faces the Seman hotel was at least one of these. Many travellers saw in that yearthe gaping hole left by teh bomb which was exposed for some time. Other bombs went off in Urumqi about that peiod which Uyghurs claim were Chinese detonated.

The 1997 bombings were supposedly in retaliation for the Ghulja massacre of Uyghur innocents in Febuary by Chinese crack troops and PAP forces. Footage can be found in the BBC online archives of victims of a bus bombing at Urumqi's XIBEI LU bus stop-area. Its around this time that bombs also went off in Beijing: the Uyghur were blamed; but for which no Uyghur has ever been convicted.

one more, re:

notice that the Han 'Central Asian' and 'terrorism' experts cited in the above articles confuse or purposely conflate the Uyghur Independence Movement or East Turkestan Independence Movement with 'terrorism' - very clever. They label all Uyghur independence groups whether non violent or violent as terrorist. This has been Beijing's ploy since the official recognition of the ETIM by the United States. Perhaps as Jimba suggests Gaye Christoffersen's article played a role in that.

My opinion: Is there some grand, Taliban-linked Uighur independence movement that has the ability to strike targets in Beijing? Probably not. But there are almost certainly Uighur terrorists, and some probably go under the same of the ETIM.

"Most Chinese people are credulous，they trust the media without even a little doubt."

No, most Chinese trust the Chinese government-controlled media without any doubt. On the other hand, when they see independent media (media, incidentally, that is held accountable for what it says), they assume that it is all part of some grand conspiracy that goes straight to the top. Now, most people, on confronting this truth, would assume that most Chinese people are stupid. I take a more charitable view and think they are simply overly nationalistic and don't really understand the concept of a free press, which is hardly a fault considering their government won't give them one.

Now, I'm guessing that within ten posts someone will use my pseudonym and say something like "God, I hate black people. Except their babies, which I love to rape", thus proven the superiority of their position.

"holy-America always stand on the justice side, at least,seems to be justice, hahhah"

True, America doesn't always stand on the just side. But at least it does sometimes, which is more than you can say for the PRC.

Dude, I adore having your inside perspective on this Uyghur stuff.

I was rather entranced by the region before 911, particularly the concept of karez.

So your insight is a joy.

Also, I love how your big bald head just... floats beneath your table of contents. Like some evil villain in a Superman movie.

@ Tiako

great post

@ livermaile

yes I have often thought Michael's head seems as if it is some genie or Alistair Crowley- like revenant released from a bottle hovering over the vastness of the Taklmakan, watching, grinning, watching...hhahahahhahaha!

Once again great art work for this post do you think my good man livermaile?

Of course, the US government has been using the (mostly) imagined threat of further terrorist attacks to tighten its reins on the American people for the last 7 years and consolidate power in the executive branch of government, so the PRC's actions are hardly novel. For years they've used the vague goal of "stability" to justify their actions, and now they have a scary adversary to prop up. It seems ironic that the US, with all its talk of freedom and human rights, could be teaching China new ways to control its people.

I blame poor legal counsel. These "terrorists" never retained competent counsel to copyright the name of their terrorist organization. Hence, they had to keep changing their names. See the seminal case of McDonald's v. McDougal's.

I found ridiculous of this type of conspiracy theory. If indeed it were concocted up, then why didn't the central government come bandwagon but instead deny so vehemently?

@ enze

could you please articulate clearly what you are trying to saty. Your statement makes no sense in plain English.

Deny what so vehemently???

I am so glad you are back and writing again!

Fantastic article Michael.

Maybe it is a bit difficult for those anti-China wankers to see - the publicity stunt by The U.S is to try and make another "Dalai Lama" out of Rebiya Kadeer seeing how (internationally) succesful it was to have a "spiritual leader" head a movement to de-stabalise China. The sheer audacity to call us Chinese brainless & brain-washed.

Shuike, you are an absolute idiot.

Rebiya Kadeer is who she is because of her own suffering at the hands of the CCP who betrayed her and imprisoned her. She is held in esteem by a vast majority of the Uyghur nation. Yes nation. She is no Dalai Lama, just a brave and resource ful woman. So look out at girly - boy.

American support or non-support doesnt change that reality. Take your skewed views and undigested CCP propaganda and post it on the party chat line. You will be believed there.

"In order to pressure the Muslim world and occupy the oil resources, the Americans concocted a story of Osama bin Laden and Al-Qaeda."

The Americans did not have to create the character of Osama Bin Laden he exists as he is portrayed. He was making anti-American statements long before 2001. Calling him a fiction of the American psyche would be demeaning to the very real threat that exists. That being said it is fairly certain that the American government manipulated the circumstances to forward the military action in the Middle East. To me it is more suspisicous that no new attacks have occured against any American targets in the last 7 years than if one had. It would be logical to assert that the attacks of 2000-2001 were allowed to happen rather than believe we have been that more vigilant since then.

Roebuck’s comments are Western arrogance at its height. On what moral authority does he lecture others when his people has committed unspeakable horrors/atrocities (slavery/genocide etc etc ad-nauseum) on the rest of the world for the past 5 hundred years and still continuing the carnage even today on the innocents in Iraq/Afghanistan?

What Roebuck says about Rebiya Kadeer apply equally well for Osama Bin Laden. How do you think he can operate against the might of the U.S & Europe otherwise? He was an “icon” leader to many and that is how he got his support & funding. Without support & funding from the Soviet Union/China, Vietnam would still be a “fighting for independence”. Likewise without the West, Afghanistan would still be struggling against the Soviets. And that’s what Bush is trying to achieve. Create an “Icon” leader similar to the Dalai Lama to de-stabilise China. Moreover, how would your nation feel if our President Hu invited Osama for lunch & had a friendly group photo afterwards?

@Shuike

China has been oppressing people on its borders for far longer than this IMAGINARY thing you call the 'West'. Whats the 'West'??

Osama and Rebiya cannot be compared. Serioulsy you are an ignoramous to suggest so.

No one takes your rant seriously. You are but a mouthpiece of Han-centric CCP propaganda and should be pitied for your ignorance while I should be applauded for my arrogance. Arrogate= assume authority. Ignorance= darkness and immaturity. Thanks loser.

One thing is for sure, my Chinese school teaches me how to read English (as a second language)better than yours. In my first Email, I just pointed out the obvious fact not mentioned in the chain namely the creation of an Icon to lead. You ever heard about a headless movement being successful? I haven’t. Have you?

By “The West” I take it in the same context as those used by CNN, BBC etc that is “White people” like you. In this age, who do you think is the hegemonic monster with the most military bases in the world? Whack you with every known hi-tech weaponry (except nuclear since contamination can spread) on trumped-up WMD charges? Commit genocide & call it liberation when it actually means OIL? You can go on.

And try and name one period in known history where you people have not invaded, conquered, plundered, murdered, colonized, enslaved or wiped out whole tribes in other countries. If not, please stop proselytizing to me about persecution. Look in the mirror if you still cannot see what Evil is.

Shuike.

I am not white to start with. Only racists use such categorizations so we will categorize you as such.

Rebiya was not created as a leader she earnt it through her suffering at the hands of the CCP. As well she is not the only Uyghur leader, so do your homework there like your teachers taught you, badly, it would seem, considering your bastard language and misinformed use of facts.

China is an invader throughout history. That is its history since the glory days on the Yellow River dunce. America, Britain, France, China, all the same type of imperialists using the same rhetoric and justification. fpr stealing land and murdering others.

Long live the people of Darfur

Long live free Turkestan

Shuike, be fair in your judgements. China is equally as guilty of all the crimes you attribute to the 'West'; and so are you by your absurd justifications.

It is revealed through commenatators such as yourself just how racist the Chinese mindset is. Everything is opposed as US and THEM. Many people in the Free World do not support such bifurcations and se the world as one. Humaity as one.

The bad guys are those who insist on these racist categorizations and use them to subjugate others less 'developed', etc. You are obviously one of them. Get with modern thinking or go back to school. But please keep posting.

'One World One Dream' Brother.

Strangely enough, I have seen the aftermath of a bus explosion myself when I was in Shanghai last year, but for some reason I did not see it in the news. I was visiting a friend of mine's place in Shanghai last September when I heard the most almighty bang and a big plume of smoke rising above the blocks of flats. We ran down to street level to see the firemen already in attendance, and a bus parked at the curb burning merrily. There was no sign of anyone having been hurt, although their were ambulances at the scene. At the time I put it down to a fuel tank explosion, but the bus had not been involved in a crash, and appeared to have been parked at the time of the explosion.

My sincere apologies for calling you white. But with a name like “Roebuck”! Nevertheless, I am sure you would forgive me for being racist when my country China suffered so horrifically in the past 100 years from western imperialism. We even had over a quarter of a million people slaughtered by the Japanese in Nanjing during the last war. Even if the figure is exaggerated, it was still a lot of lives murdered. Have your country suffered as much?

Anyway, for a moment, it was an interesting open debate with you. But when it comes down to name calling & expletives, then we debase ourselves. You hold on to your own ideals (that’s your prerogative) & I’ll hold onto mine. No matter what you say or how well you say it, they will always be an equally valid opposing view. Even The God Almighty did not have it all his way – He had to contend with Satan & Hell.

One detects an extremely self righteous point of view here form the miss named Shuike. As if Shuike is righteous and Roebuck is not because of the use of expletives; thus roebuck's pointing out that Shuike is a rampant and patent racist is obscured by Shuike's meaningless moralistic Han goobledee gook, it appears to this reader.

Shuike, your glorious Chairman Mao killed far more people and caused far more misery during The Great Famine and The Cultural Revolution, than British and Japanese imperialism -- combined.

But I'm sure that is OK to you. Murder committed by fellow Hans like Mao and the Red Guards are beyond our current discussion.

Dear Spec: Like I mentioned clearly in my mail, I enjoyed the debate with Roebuck which was intelligent & interesting - but not the name calling & expletives. After all we are not squabbling kids trying to be macho. You also did not think it necessary to lower yourself to such level in criticising me. So we all do have a sense of morality. I also explained my sense of racism. I strongly doubt Spec would be so magnanimous to forgive, love and trust China if it committed all those horrific atrocities associated with western imperialism on his nation. By the way I am Male & my name is in Chinese Pinyin.

In response to Root. I never said I loved Mao. Even if your statistics are correct, does killing a bit less human beings than Mao makes the British & Japanese any less murderous & OK?

shuike you are little shit maoisty fascist. It is tarnsparent. So stop bullshiting and acting as if you are rational - it makes you look worse. Your type, the Xiao Mao clique, will throw China back into the dark ages.

btw Shuike pinyin male,

60 million of your beloved countrymen died under Mao's guidance. Get a new hero freak.

oldwiseman:

I really agree with you!
Someone want to be troublemaker.

China is not perfect, but I never lose my confidence on her!

It is interesting that SOME blind westerners neglect the killing in Iraq as they discuss the HR.

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مدونة صور المرأة المرأة  خريطة الخفوق مدونة ساعات , شنط شنط توبيكات ماجد المهندس ماجد غرف بنات بنات صنادل صنادل خلفيات وندوز 7 خلفيات فوتوشوب فوتوشوب برامج حماية برامج حماية توبيكات عشق حب توبيكات عشق توبيك غزل توبيكات تحميل ريل بلير الجديد تحميل ريل بلير فاشون فاشون قصص الأنبياء قصص الأنبياء أكسسوارت 2010 أكسسوارات بودي شوب بودي شوب ساعات سواتش سواتش حمام الزيت حمام زيت القلب القلب جوال أطفال جوال أطفال الفصول الاربعه الفصول الاربعه الخط الكوفي الخط القلوب القلوب الحياة الحياة دهن العود دهن العود امثال رائعه امثال رائعه قوانين قوانين كولكشن شبابي كولكشن تعلم الحب تعليم الحب الحب افضل العطورات افضل العطورات ساعات بولغري بولغري عارض ازياء ازياء ازياء شبابية ازياء تيشيرت شبابي تيشيرت نظارات نظارات فساتين سهرات فساتين سهرات مكياج مكياج فساتين سهرات فساتين رقص شرقي رقص شرقي شفايف شفايف بجامات النوم بجامات نوم معاني الأسماء معاني الاسماء أكسسوارات اكسسوارت مكياج مكياج مجوهرات 2010 مجوهرات فساتين سهرات فساتين أساور اساور عطورات غرف النوم عطورات شنط حقائب شنط أكسسوارات جولات نسائية جولات وصفة جمال وصفه أكسسوارت روعة اكسسورات مناكير مناكير تساريح مكياج تساريح مكياج ميك أب سعودي مكياج مكياج أخر موضة مكياج مقهى السيدات مقهى ايسكريم شوكلاته ايسكريم حلا قهوة قهوه رز رز افخاذ الدجاج افخاذ الأفطار الفرنسي الافطار حلى ايسكريم السندوتشات ايسكريم محشي ساندوتش محشي مثلجات القهوة القهوه مكرونة مكرونة حلى قهوة حلى كتكات كتكات ساندوتشات ساندوتشات كباب دجاج كبابالجالاكسي حلى ديكورات ديكور غرف نوم ايكيا ايكيا غرف نوم ستايل ستايل ديكور بدوي بودي ديكور خشبي خشبي توبيكات غرام غرام توبيكات حب حب التوبيكات مخدات مخدات مناديل مناديل ديكور ديكورات التخلص من الدهون دهون العلاج العصبي علاج عصبي تمر تمر الوسواس القهري الوسواس رجيم رجيم عسل عسل شمعيات شمعيات صور الشهر موسوعة صور باليد صور رسم زيتي رسم حليمة بولند بولند اصداف اصداف ورود ورد صور موسكو موسكو موناليزا مونليزا صور زفة زفة طيور نادرة نادرة صور شلال شلال صور الغروب الغروب صور أبداع ابداع صور بنات بنات صور فضايح فضايح موسوعة الصور موسوعة صور لبنانيات لبنانيات صور سعوديات سعوديات صور بنات الجامعة بنات نكت نكت الغاز الغاز مسابقات مسابقات العاب العاب تسلية تسلية الرياضية رياضة كاركتير مضحك مضحك ضحك ضحك كامري كامري سيارات سيارات صور سيارات دبابات المرأة الكويتية كويتيات عالم مضحك مضحك عباية عبايات عبايات عباية فديو فديو مقاطع فديو مقاطع فديو فضايح يوتيوب يوتيوب رقص رقص فديو مضحك ضحك كميرة خفية كميرة فلم سعودي فلم سعودي سفر سياحة سفر دليل الرحلات رحلة توبيكات توبيك توبيكات رومنسية توبيكااات هاواي هاواي بلجيكا بلجيكا المكسيك مكسيكو تركيا تركيا سويسرا سويسرا جوال نت جوال نت موبايل موبايل جولات تلفونات نوكيا نوكيا احذية , جزم احذية وسائط وسائط وسائط حب ام ام اس وسائط غزل غزل وغرام خرائط الجوال خرائط تحميل برنامج برنامج ندامة ماجد المهندس ندامة جلسات راشد راشد اغنية فلة موبايل فلة موبايل يوتيوب موباير خرائط الموبايل خرائط لعبة موبايل دبابات دبابات روبن هود روبن هود لعبة كرستال كرستال العاب بنات بنات ثيمات رومنسية رومنسية ثيمات الجيل الثالث الجيل ثيمات الجيل نوكيا نوكيا خلفيات رومنسية رومنسية خلفيات روعه روعه توبيكات بنات بنات توبيكات ماسنجر ماسن خلفيات دسك توب دسك أكس بوكس بوكس اي فون اي فون برامج فديو برامج تلفزيون النت تي في نت قنوات النت قنوات نت تلفزيون نت برنامج حماية حماية سكورتي فيستا فيستا وندوز فيستا وندوز برامج صور تصوير سكربت ماسنجر سكربت كشف الحظر الحظر تحميل ماسنجر تحميل تحميل الماسنجر ماسن تحميل ماسنجر الياهو ياهو توبيكات اغاني اغاني توبيكات فنانات فنانات توبيكات حزينة حزينة توبيكات ملونة ملونة نكات التوبيكات توبيكات نكات توبيكات أجنبية اجنبية توبيكات ملونة تلوين توبيكات التوبيكات التوبيكات نكات ملونة ملونة توبيكات 2010 توبيكات اصاله اصالة اصاله الجسمي الجسمي توبيكات حزينة حزن حزن و أحزان أحزان فوتوشوب مضحك مضحك صور فوتوشوب جديدة فوتوشوب فوتشوب مضحك مضحكة فوتوشوب الفوتو فوتشوب ليل ليل الفوتو أبداع الفوتوشوب ابداع الفوتو فوتوشوب دسك توب دسك توب خلفيات ماسنجر خلف صور بنات ماسين توبيكات بنات توبيكات بنات  ايقونات ايقونات جاكيت  -  - فساتين سهرات - أزياء بنات -  حليمة بولند - فساتين رقص - فاشون - صور كولكشن - أزياء أطفال - صور مكياج - حنى - تسريحات عرايس - مكياج خليجي - مكياج سعودي - دروس مكياج - حلا - سلطة - تمارين - رجيم - صور حب - صور رومانسية - هيفا وهبي - مسجات رومانسية - ثيمات حب - ثيمات رومنسية - صور ماسنجر - ثيمات  ماسنجر - اسماء بنات - تحميل ماسنجر صور فوتوشوب - فساتين اعراس - اسماء بنات للماسنجر - ثيمات ماسنجر - خلفيات ماسنجر - سمايلات - صور بنات

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